Re: LIdent

[Doug Lim <dlim@enteract.com>]

On Fri, 05 Apr 2002 13:48:59 -0600,
Bug Hunter <bughunter999@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> 
> Appreciate the detail information and have already used the ghost command 
> to boot the other user off. I have registered two NICKS on this channel as 
> they are very similar to that there is no confusion between other users 
> when I am posting messages. I again seen this person on the channel with 
> this other registered NICK of mine. That is when I used the gjost command 
> to boot them off. My question is how is this person able to use this other 
> NICK if it is registered with a password?
> 
> You had mentioned the ENFORCE command and I have used it while logged in 
> with the problem NICK. Is this enforce only in effect during that 
> particular session?

You'd probably find the answer at the DALnet nickserv documentation
web address that I provided in my last message.

http://www.dal.net/services/servdetail.php3?type=nickserv

I suppose I COULD spoonfeed the documentation onto the xchat mailing
list, but I'm not sure the other subscribers would necessarily appreciate
it. :-p

(No, the ENFORCE **OPTION** has nothing to do with your IRC session. In
fact, its whole point is to protect your nick from being use, even
when you're not online. It's not a command; it's an option or flag
that's set on your nick registration record. It stays set one way or
the other until you specifically change the flag.)

> Also I have another channel which I can not login using XCHAT password 
> option. I wind up have to do the /msg nickserv identify command 
> manually.  Any idea why?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking when you say you're trying to
login to a channel with the "xchat password option" and I'm not exactly
sure why nickserv is part of your question if you're trying to figure
out a problem with a channel. This question is confusing on so many
levels because of mixed/improper terminology. Even lacking proper
terminology, your questions would be much easier to answer if you:

- indicate EXACTLY what command you're typing into xchat (possibly
  substituting something like <password> instead of your actual passwords)
- indicate what EXACTLY is the message you're getting back either from the IRC
  server or from xchat
- what EXACTLY you expected to see from either xchat or the IRC server
  in response

While I'm sure you've spent quite a bit of time figuring out IRC on your
own and asking questions of people you've met online, might I gently
suggest that you spend some time reading some actual documentation about
IRC in general -- mainly, and most importantly to learn standard IRC
terminology and usage. Getting help is MUCH easier for everyone involved
if everyone is using the same terms in the same way so everyone is sure
they're being understood properly.

http://www.irchelp.org/
is linked off of the documentation section of the xchat.org web site
(basic terminology like 'you connect to servers' and 'you join
channels' and not the other way around, for example)

Since DALnet is at least one of the IRC nets you use, I recommend
checking out

http://help.dal.net/docs/

which has a wealth of information (in multiple languages, even) of
general interest to the average user (how to protect your nicks, how
to protect your channels, how to deal with flooders and other
annoyances, how to find a DALnet oper, how to set up a DALnet user web
site, how to choose proper passwords, how not to be fooled into
installing trojans and backdoored scripts/plugins).

Also, in your other message in this thread you write:
> The person in question simply indicated that I shoudl download this LIDENT 
> from DALnet. They never gave me a url for it. The person in question was 
> identified on the user list with a yellow dot by XChat.

Again, perhaps you should spend some time getting to know xchat and your
chosen IRC network better. You should know that the "yellow dot" in the
user list means that the user had the +v flag set on their nick. On
moderated channels (channels where people can only talk openly in the
channel when given permission by a channel operator) it just means that
the user can talk in the channel. On non-moderated channels, it's
meaningless and just means that a channel op is goofing around or pushing
buttons for no apparent reason on their client. If it were a green dot,
that would indicate that the user is a channel operator. If you don't
understand any of this or if any of it is is confusing, I refer you to
the basic IRC newbie documentation that can be found on either of the
web sites I've listed above.

Just because another user on IRC has a pretty-colored dot next to their
nick in the user list means absolutely NOTHING about whether you can
or even should trust any advice they might give you. All it takes to get
a "yellow dot" next to a nick is for a channel op to give someone
permission to speak in the channel. All it takes to get a green dot next
to a nick is for someone to either create their own channel or be
given channel operator rights by another channel operator. Channel
operators and founders quite frequently give channel op rights to
other users who have no business being trusted with much of anything.
Don't blindly trust people on IRC, especially people who until minutes
or seconds ago were COMPLETE STRANGERS.

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