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Is the securedistros mailing list actually open to posts from
non-subscribers?  Can this be changed? :-)

Thanks,
    Crispin

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Maybe big5 looks nice on your system,
not on mine.

Try advertising, with this font.

JAn.
Crispin Cowan writes:
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> Thanks,
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> Û`­d wrote:
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Ok, time to close the spam door on the mailing list.

Can someone operating this list tweek the config so that only
subscribers can post?  Thanks.

Caveat:  I can't actually read this, and only assume from the use of
ASCII graphics and bright colors that it is spam.

Crispin

Û`­d wrote:

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Free Hardened Linux Distribution:                 http://immunix.org
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Pine reports it as "Big 5", a chinese character set.

 --Louis
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On Fri, 14 Jul 2000, Crispin Cowan wrote:

> Ok, time to close the spam door on the mailing list.
> 
> Can someone operating this list tweek the config so that only
> subscribers can post?  Thanks.
> 
> Caveat:  I can't actually read this, and only assume from the use of
> ASCII graphics and bright colors that it is spam.
> 
> Crispin
> 
> Û`­d wrote:
> 
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> 
> --
> Crispin Cowan, CTO, WireX Communications, Inc.    http://wirex.com
> Free Hardened Linux Distribution:                 http://immunix.org
>         Security JOB:  http://immunix.org/jobs.html
> 
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Thus spake Mark E. Drummond (drummond-m@rmc.ca):

> Will the owner of this damn list please lock it down?

Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There hasn't
been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner has
forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.

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oneiros wrote:

> Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There hasn't
> been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner has
> forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.

Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?

--markc
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Mark Constable <markc@renta.net> wrote:
> Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
> There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
> so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?

should be. so hi there, everyone. I'm here because of Nexus
(http:/Nexus-Project.net) - quickly found out that the list is dead, but
didn't bother to un-subscribe, just in case. :)


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The Bastille-Linux list is still very much alive, if anyone is interested...

See http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/bastille-linux-discuss

 - Ian


> ----------
> From: 	Tom Vogt[SMTP:tom@lemuria.org]
> Reply To: 	securedistros@nl.linux.org
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> 
> Mark Constable <markc@renta.net> wrote:
> > Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
> > There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
> > so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?
> 
> should be. so hi there, everyone. I'm here because of Nexus
> (http:/Nexus-Project.net) - quickly found out that the list is dead, but
> didn't bother to un-subscribe, just in case. :)
> 
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This message is cc'ed to the people who host the website and mailing
lists.  Their address is builders@nl.linux.org.  Perhaps they can
help.

builders@nl.linux.org: has this list (securedistros) been abandoned? 
It seems to be 99% spam and allows anyone to post to it (hence all the
spam.)

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Thus spake Mark E. Drummond (drummond-m@rmc.ca):

> Will the owner of this damn list please lock it down?

Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There
hasn't
been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner
has
forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.

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We can start by listing the most used ways to exploit systems and the way 
to protect from these exploits.

At 01:48 27/07/00 õ•, Mark Constable wrote:
>oneiros wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There hasn't
> > been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner has
> > forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.
>
>Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
>There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
>so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?
>
>--markc
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Atenciosamente,

Francisco Lopes de Camargos Neto
SiteBHZ   -   Terra Networks

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Previously James Wilson wrote:
> builders@nl.linux.org: has this list (securedistros) been abandoned?=20
> It seems to be 99% spam and allows anyone to post to it (hence all the
> spam.)

I think the listmasters didn't abandon it but the subscribers weren't
interested enough.. the list still works.

Wichert.

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Well, to add some content...
I beleive the purpose of this list was for those intereseted in developing 
secure distros of Linux, and conversations thereof.

This is probably more like advertising, but we have released our first OS 
which by necessity is a secure distro.

THe LinuxMagic VPN has now been released.
For more infromation, visit http://www.linuxmagic.com/vpn

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> I think the listmasters didn't abandon it but the subscribers weren't
> interested enough.. the list still works.
>
> Wichert.

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, you wrote:

Also, if there is ENOUGH people interested, we could host the list to tighten 
up the SPAM problem, but not sure enough use is made of this list, and if we 
aren't already covering these issues in other lsts.
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A list of resources that folks have used and like
would be usefull.

To start-

http://www.sans.org has scripts to tighten up 
different platforms.

   



On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Francisco Camargos wrote:

> We can start by listing the most used ways to exploit systems and the way 
> to protect from these exploits.
> 
> At 01:48 27/07/00 õ•, Mark Constable wrote:
> >oneiros wrote:
> >
> > > Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There hasn't
> > > been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner has
> > > forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.
> >
> >Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
> >There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
> >so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?
> >
> >--markc
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> >Archive:       http://humbolt.nl.linux.org/lists/
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> 
> 
> Atenciosamente,
> 
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, oneiros wrote:
> Thus spake Mark E. Drummond (drummond-m@rmc.ca):
> 
> > Will the owner of this damn list please lock it down?
> 
> Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(

The owner of the list was away on conferences for the last
month or so...

The main reason I cannot really lock down the list is because
it seems to be mainly used for announcements. Locking down the
list will make it unusable for the last thing the list seems
to be used for recently...

(I have tightened the list filters quite a bit though, last
night I've even shut it for all messages containing text in
the big5 character set)

regards,

Rik
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Mark Constable wrote:
> oneiros wrote:
> 
> > Unfortunately it seems like this list has been abandoned.  ;(  There hasn't
> > been any real content in quite some time.  Perhaps either the owner has
> > forgotten about this list, or it has been depreciated.
> 
> Well what are we all doing just hanging around here then ?
> There are a few of use interested in a secure Linux system
> so are there any alternatives to this dead end direction ?

This list was meant for discussing secure linux distributions,
etc. However it turned out that there were almost no people
available with both an interest in a secure linux distribution
and the time to put one together ;(

Now this list mainly seems to be used for announcements, which
is a good thing too.

regards,

Rik
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, May May wrote:

> Subject: [big5] Re: ºô¸ô¦æ¾P¼x¤~

Arghhhhh. It looks like the extra spam regexps I put in yesterday
still don't filter all big5 stuff ;(

[btw, I've already had some complaints from people on other mailing
lists that the antispam measures were a bit too strict ... RSS,
ORBS, RBL, a list of spamming email addresses (auto-updated daily)
and about a screenful of regexps in majordomo.cf ...]

regards,

Rik
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Rik van Riel wrote:

> The owner of the list was away on conferences for the last
> month or so...

Fair enough.  I just got back from conferencing myself, and I know what
deailing with the e-mail deluge is like.


> The main reason I cannot really lock down the list is because
> it seems to be mainly used for announcements. Locking down the
> list will make it unusable for the last thing the list seems
> to be used for recently...

I use it for announcements, and I vote for closing the list to
non-subscribers:

   * people making legitimate announcements will read the "you have to
     subscribe first" response and go aheand and subscribe
   * people spamming will just note the bounce and delete the list from
     their list of hundreds of thousands or millions of targets

requiring a subscription to make an announcement is lightweight for
legit posters, and too heavy for spammers.

Thanks,
    Crispin

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously James Wilson wrote:
> > builders@nl.linux.org: has this list (securedistros) been abandoned? 
> > It seems to be 99% spam and allows anyone to post to it (hence all the
> > spam.)
> 
> I think the listmasters didn't abandon it but the subscribers
> weren't interested enough..

Unfortunately this seemed the case, yes ;(

> the list still works.

And I just found out I missed the i in this majordomo.cf
regexp.  ;)  (if you think this is too fascist, I agree)

/charset..big5/i

regards,

Rik
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> [btw, I've already had some complaints from people on other mailing
> lists that the antispam measures were a bit too strict ... RSS,
> ORBS, RBL, a list of spamming email addresses (auto-updated daily)
> and about a screenful of regexps in majordomo.cf ...]

Don't use ORBS, it's a very poorly run database.

All you have to do to really "lock" it down is either

a) allow only posts from subscribers

or

b) moderate the list

option b can be optimized by using a feature of some mailing list
packages, like ezmlm (I bet mailman does this too) that allows you to
auto-approve posts from certain people who are known good actors (based on
the first post they sent being a good one that you hand-approve).

	Brian



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i would like a linux distribution with security features like microsoft,
but without the braindead implementation.

microsoft has some pretty nice features:
 - every machine has a "secret", that can be used for secure
   communication. that secret is protected and can not read with
   system calls, not even root can.

   think of a secret key for IPsec, and once that key is read and the
   kernel is configured, the file is somehow marked, so noone can read
   it without rebooting.

   nfs is insecure, and without IPsec or some other way to secure is:
   where is a network filesystem for linux ? (ok, maybe nfs v4 will
   help, but who can wait that long ?)

 - central security lists for secure communication. they call it domain,
   and it doesn´t work very well always.

   but the idea is nice: you don´t want "first handshake" secure
   communications like ssh does, but install the public key in all
   machines on the net, one a new machine is installed. ok, you don´t
   want to touch every machine, so some central approach is necessary.
   
   is dns ready to serve keys for IPsec ? IIRC there was some way to
   store the public keys in dns. also, this allows failover security:
   you can have several dns servers and if one goes down, the other will
   still work. absolutely necessary for any central approach.

 - improved ssl ? 
   nearly no server allows authentication via ssl certificate.
   also nearly no server allows the server key be encrypted with
   a password, and the certificate in an extra file. apache is fine,
   but stunnel/sslwrap/... ?

 - ssl managemant ? openssl tools are not very easy to use.

only some things, i don´t know if any distribution has a goal
of doing real cool stuff in one of these areas. compiling and shipping
the software isn´t enough. who compiles mysql with ssl support ?
or ldap ? who has a pam_ldap or pam_mysql, that does ssl ?
or who has a IPsec setup, so pam_ldap/pam_mysql connections will be
encrypted ?

i am realy considering useing samba/pam_ntdom and smbfs for security
reasons, since the network filesystem is more secure than nfs, and the 
passwords are not available to dictrionary attacks nor can be sniffed
(as far as i know). sure, there are other problems...

to sum it up: very big companies with very many computers forces
microsoft to improve some stuff in the last years, so installations
with lots of servers and desktop machines for thousends of users are
possible. sure, the implementations were braindead or buggy, but to my
knowledge all known security bugs are fixed. and the concepts are realy
nifty (if the handling and administration was a bit easier and better
documented). 

andreas

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Brian Behlendorf wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > [btw, I've already had some complaints from people on other mailing
> > lists that the antispam measures were a bit too strict ... RSS,
> > ORBS, RBL, a list of spamming email addresses (auto-updated daily)
> > and about a screenful of regexps in majordomo.cf ...]
> 
> Don't use ORBS, it's a very poorly run database.

ORBS is quite good, as long as you know how to use it.

Entries resolving to 127.0.0.4 (unscannable netblock) aren't
blocked from sending mail to this list.

> All you have to do to really "lock" it down is either
> 
> a) allow only posts from subscribers
> b) moderate the list

a) is unacceptable

b) is ok since we have one volunteer (Brian Behlendorf)

regards,

Rik
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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Brian Behlendorf wrote:

> > All you have to do to really "lock" it down is either
> > 
> > a) allow only posts from subscribers
> > b) moderate the list
> 
> a) is unacceptable
> 
> b) is ok

Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)

Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?

(mailman?)

regards,

Rik
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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 07:31:14PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
> Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
> moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
> should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
> 
> Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?

My pilot-pda mailing list does exactly this using ezmlm.

--
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>> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 07:31:14PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> > Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
>> > moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
>> > should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
>> > 
>> > Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?
>> 
>> My pilot-pda mailing list does exactly this using ezmlm.

One can also do this with SmartList or MajorDomo.

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Hi, Tracy!

On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 03:41:31PM -0700, you wrote the following:

> > Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
> > moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
> > should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
> > 
> > Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?
> 
> My pilot-pda mailing list does exactly this using ezmlm.

Listar can easily do this as well.


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On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
> Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
> moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
> should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
> 
> Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?

Yeah, that's what I meant.  =)  Ezmlm does this great (www.ezmlm.org),
majordomo does this but it's much clumsier (IMHO), I'm sure mailman can do
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	Brian


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Francisco Camargos wrote:

> We can start by listing the most used ways to exploit systems and the way
> to protect from these exploits.

That's a fine approach for studying the security problem, and it is the approach
that I took four years ago.  I recommend it to those seeking to really understand
the practical security problem.

But it is not the charter of the securedistros mailing list.  The charter of this
list is to discuss & compare existing secure Linux distributions, so that people
can learn from what each other have done.

While it may be true that the securedistros list has been very quiet lately, and
it certainly is true that it got found by spammers a week or two ago, it is most
definitely NOT the case that secure Linux distribution development is dead.  Both
the Bastille and Immunix distributions are very active, both having released major
versions this quarter.

Instead of trying to start from ground zero and try to define what a wished-for
secure distro might contain, I think it might be more constructive to examine the
secure distros that exist, and learn from them.  Here's the ones that I know about
(in alphabetical order, taken from the Linux Weekly News security section
http://lwn.net/bigpage.php3#security ):

   * Bastille  http://www.bastille-linux.org/ :  a "tighten" script for Red Hat
     Linux that changes all the defaults to a secure configuration, i.e. turn
     everything off and then selectively re-enable only what you need.
   * Immunix  http://immunix.org/ (my company's product):  hardens components with
     a variety of technologies to provide "security bug tolerance", i.e. even
     though there may be bugs discovered in Linux components, Immunix tools try to
     ensure that those bugs will not be exploitable vulnerabilities.
   * Khaos Linux   http://www.kha0s.org/ :  defunct?  The web site no longer
     responds.
   * Nexus Linux  http://Nexus-Project.net/ :  I don't know much about this
     project.
   * Secure Linux  http://www.reseau.nl/nl/securelinux/index.html : Defunct?  The
     web site no longer responds.
   * Secure Linux (Flask)  http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/linux.html :
     joint effort between the NSA and U.Utah researchers to integrate the Flask
     http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/flask.html security technology package
     into Linux.  Flask is based on the DTOS/Mach architecture that (IIRC) is
     primarily based on capabilities.
   * Trustix  http://www.trustix.com/ : I'm not sure what it is about Trustix that
     would cause one to trust it.   Trustix seems to have had a lot of security
     vulnerabilities announced lately :-)
     http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/archive.pike?list=1&date=2000-07-8&msg=00f801bfeb7a$598fd880$cb00030a@seifried.org
     ,
     http://www.securityfocus.com/templates/archive.pike?list=1&date=2000-06-8&msg=03d7lqvqhe.fsf@colargol.tihlde.hist.no

Crispin

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On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 07:14:04PM -0700, Brian Behlendorf wrote to To securedistros@nl.linux.org:
:-) On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:
:-) > Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
:-) > moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
:-) > should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
:-) > 
:-) > Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?
:-) 
:-) Yeah, that's what I meant.  =)  Ezmlm does this great (www.ezmlm.org),
:-) majordomo does this but it's much clumsier (IMHO), I'm sure mailman can do
:-) it.

Does it by default if you turn on the only-from-subscribed-members
thingie.  And the sender is sent a nice little pice of email explaining
what is up.  The list owners can then accept ( post ), decline w/
an optional message, or just silently ignore it.

Don

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Thus spake Rik van Riel (riel@conectiva.com.br):

> Now that I think of it ... it would be even better to have
> moderation only for non-subscribers and mail from subscribers
> should go directly through. What do you people want? ;)
> 
> Does anybody know of list manager software able to do this?

majordomo can do this quite easily, use the restrict_post option.  For
example:

restrict_post = securedistros

This will moderate anyone who is not in the file securedistros (which is your
list of subscribers).  Since you also wanted vendors and such to be able to
post freely to the list, you may want to use following instead.

restrict_post = securedistros securedistros.allowed

Where securedistros.allowed is a file of email addresses of those other users
(who are not subscribed).  These will be able to post directly to the list.
Anyone else will be moderated.  Should you want to approve these moderated
messages, in your mua pipe it through the approve script as you go through the
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Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com> wrote:
> Instead of trying to start from ground zero and try to define what a wished-for
> secure distro might contain, I think it might be more constructive to examine the
> secure distros that exist, and learn from them.  Here's the ones that I know about
> (in alphabetical order, taken from the Linux Weekly News security section
> http://lwn.net/bigpage.php3#security ):

I can give additional details on two of those:



>    * Khaos Linux   http://www.kha0s.org/ :  defunct?  The web site no longer
>      responds.
>    * Nexus Linux  http://Nexus-Project.net/ :  I don't know much about this
>      project.

Nexus started as a split-off from kha0s when the original kha0s founders
decided that they were unhappy with what had been produced so far and
wanted to start again from scratch. I guess they did, so they're probably
still at it. I'm on the announcement list, but nothing was posted there for
the past months. the webpage was a lower priority even back when
development was very active, with minor releases only days apart.

on Nexus: well, I'm the project leader, so ask whatever you want to know.
:)


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Andreas Jellinghaus <aj@dungeon.inka.de> wrote:
>    nfs is insecure, and without IPsec or some other way to secure is:
>    where is a network filesystem for linux ? (ok, maybe nfs v4 will
>    help, but who can wait that long ?)

coda?


>    is dns ready to serve keys for IPsec ? IIRC there was some way to
>    store the public keys in dns.

correct, and this is the much better approach. bind 8 can do it. you can,
of course, also have a spec that says "on my subnets, the public key to
every machine is stored in the TXT entry to every host" or something like
that.


>  - improved ssl ? 
>    nearly no server allows authentication via ssl certificate.
>    also nearly no server allows the server key be encrypted with
>    a password, and the certificate in an extra file. apache is fine,
>    but stunnel/sslwrap/... ?

wasn't s/key made for this? I'm desperately behind on reading up on s/key,
but that's what I thought it was for.


>  - ssl managemant ? openssl tools are not very easy to use.

write the code and most distros will be happy to include it.


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www.listar.org: a very nice mailing list manager,
i´m sure it can do this. please give it a try.

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> Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>:
>
>    * Secure Linux (Flask)
>      http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/linux.html : joint effort
>      between the NSA and U.Utah researchers to integrate the Flask
>      http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/flask.html security
>      technology package into Linux.  Flask is based on the DTOS/Mach
>      architecture that (IIRC) is primarily based on capabilities.

I'm afraid you don't RC--neither DTOS nor Flask use capabilities.
They both support various label-based policies.

Regards,

	Mike Beede


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>Securedistros: A common list for all secured Linux distributions
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Ok,20 mails within one day.....

HELP ME get out of here!!!!!
I unsubscribed weeks ago and thought it was everything needed,
but see that was wrong

How can I unsubscribe?

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Mike Beede wrote:

> > Crispin Cowan <crispin@wirex.com>:
> >
> >    * Secure Linux (Flask)
> >      http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/linux.html : joint effort
> >      between the NSA and U.Utah researchers to integrate the Flask
> >      http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/flask.html security
> >      technology package into Linux.  Flask is based on the DTOS/Mach
> >      architecture that (IIRC) is primarily based on capabilities.
>
> I'm afraid you don't RC--neither DTOS nor Flask use capabilities.
> They both support various label-based policies.

Thanks much to Smalley, Beedle, and Loe for their enlightening
clarifications on what goes into the Flask system.  This is more like what
I expect from securedistros:  informative discussion of what makes a
secure linux distribution secure.

Crispin

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Crispin Cowan, Chief Scientist, WireX Communications, Inc. http://wirex.com
Free Hardened Linux Distribution:                          http://immunix.org



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