Re: Linux at C2 - was Re: Is this mail list dead?

[Pedro Rosa <Pedro.Rosa@ksu.ru>]

Casey Schaufler wrote:

> Pedro Rosa wrote:
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>> Cool. Where is Irix? Am I seeing Irix? Have I heard about Irix? Well I
>> have seen AIX. Solaris, a little bit of SCO, a little of Xenix,
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> All of which at least claim C2. Did you know a version of Xenix
> was evaluated at B2?

I always knew that Bill Gates was an agent from the Evil Empire on 
Earth... So how Microsoft could go from Xenix evaluated on B2 to Windows 
on aaa.... uuuu... eee... almost C2-"compatible"?.. 8=E
Yes, his job was to infiltrate inside the good community of freelancers 
and good programmers and turn everything into an answer-machine...

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>> And don't forget
>> that the World does not start in New England and ends in Alaska.
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> The CAPP/C2/assurance market is bigger in the EU
> than in the US. Check Swedish privacy law if you
> want to start getting nervous.

Good but no good... I don't live in Sweden or EU either... Things are 
quite different here. While there is a huge potential market for such 
things like CAPP, right now there is a huge crisis going on the sector. 
It's a crisis that touches every aspect of the industry here and looks 
like the advent of a weird Middle Age in the computer world. Most people 
don't really care about security even in those places where CAPP would 
be more than necessary. In some of these places you may see people 
nailing printouts of E-mail bombs warning about bogus viruses. Here 
hackers are already treated like witches, magicians, djinns and other 
mythical beings, for good and bad (scheptycs should have a look at the 
local newspapers). And many experts don't see other solution than going 
outta here, choosing either another region of Russia or the West. A few 
islands remain and start looking as medieval castles in the middle of 
the chaos.

Under such an environment, a general distro with "security enhanced" 
will be just damaging. In fact it's enough to see what average users do 
with Linux. Even after I tell some users 10 times that they need an 
expert to install it on their disks, they do all on their own. The 
result is valuable data irrecoverable and people blaming me for that and 
crying foul of Linux! Just three days ago another such user came to me. 
Luck he just screw the MBR.

Well, in fact there is a need to make a general highly secured 
"lamers-safe" distro. Or else users will start loosing their houses, 
cars and pants as they more and more try to play Linux on disks, where 
they hold valuable info for their job or business.

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>> Well I would really like to see such an implementation in
>> Real-Life(TM)... Fear not. We are only  here to KKND... For a better
>> Future...
> 
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> I give up. KKND?
> 
Krush, Kill aNd Destroy. From a game of that name. Some here use it as a 
call sign for heavy hack or testing work.  Or to deal with some type of 
users...

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