From bird@sohu.com Wed Sep 4 20:22:55 2002 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:218.29.118.227] ([IPv6:::ffff:218.29.118.227]:52820 "ehlo sohu.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:22:47 +0200 From: =?GB2312?B?1qPR0A==?= Subject: =?GB2312?B?x7HU2r/Nu6co08rWtzPS2jLHp83yo6k=?= To: offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Content-Type: text/plain;charset="GB2312" Reply-To: bird@sohu.com Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:24:02 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: FoxMail 3.11 Release [cn] Message-Id: <20020904182248Z17091-11563+2990@humbolt.nl.linux.org> Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org 如因这封信打扰了您，请您立即删除，并向您表示歉意。如用时间看一看， 也许将来您会有大用场！ 你要您想用少量的钱，办大量的事。请关注： 我们可以在最短的时间内，把您的广告发遍全球。找到潜在的客户 一、国内1亿伍千万E-mail邮箱数据库 1、各行业分类 2、个人分类 3、地区 二、国际陆2亿伍千万E-mail邮箱数据库（分世界各地） 三、赠送正版群发软件，收邮软件，消息发布软件。 祥情咨询电话 0372-5177321 http://www.hi-world.net. e-mail: mail@hi-world.net From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 6 19:20:30 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:6572 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:20:18 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:20:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from cerebus.wirex.com ([IPv6:::ffff:65.102.14.138]:30193 "EHLO blue.int.wirex.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:19:58 +0200 Received: (from sarnold@localhost) by blue.int.wirex.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g86HJuu20516 for offtopic@nl.linux.org; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:19:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:19:56 -0700 From: Seth Arnold To: offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: odd date/time stamps Message-ID: <20020906101956.B20431@wirex.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="U+BazGySraz5kW0T" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Paranoia: Greetings CIA, FBI, MI5, NSA, ATF, Treasury, Ashcroft, Immigration! X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: sarnold@wirex.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org --U+BazGySraz5kW0T Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [Sorry, I don't know if offtopic@ is just for humorous things, or if this question is sufficiently offtopic from kernelnewbies to justify it here. :] I let my laptop run out of battery while on sleep. It turns out it doesn't do any nice suspend-to-disk things, it just dies.. Anyway, I found some files like this: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24 Jan 1 1904 modules.pnpbiosmap -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Jan 1 1904 modules.parportmap How on earth did the time get set to jan 1 1904?? 1970 I could understand.. but 1904 just baffles me. (I think I've heard excel stores dates as offsets since jan 1 1904, but unix never seemed to like 1904. :) Is this an odd ppcism? Thanks :) --=20 "A mouse can be just as dangerous as a bullet or a bomb." -- US Representative Lamar Smith (R-Texas) --U+BazGySraz5kW0T Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9eOO7+9nuM9mwoJkRAgUKAJ9TLrcLdhk/P76UwRsW01fIIyDSxgCfVrSy 9yWkD8WxRGc/m9uexplergU= =pnqv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --U+BazGySraz5kW0T-- From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 6 22:35:42 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:51134 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:35:33 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 06 Sep 2002 22:35:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2] ([IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2]:51329 "EHLO imladris.surriel.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:35:10 +0200 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:47489 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:35:00 -0300 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 17:34:59 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Seth Arnold cc: offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: odd date/time stamps In-Reply-To: <20020906101956.B20431@wirex.com> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: riel@conectiva.com.br Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Seth Arnold wrote: > I let my laptop run out of battery while on sleep. It turns out it > doesn't do any nice suspend-to-disk things, it just dies.. Anyway, I > found some files like this: > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24 Jan 1 1904 modules.pnpbiosmap > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 29 Jan 1 1904 modules.parportmap > > How on earth did the time get set to jan 1 1904?? 1970 I could > understand.. but 1904 just baffles me. (I think I've heard excel > stores dates as offsets since jan 1 1904, but unix never seemed > to like 1904. :) Unix stores dates as a _signed_ offset since jan 1 1970. 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Smokers United http://www.smokersunited.co.uk/?S=14&ID=2 xay1y From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:09:13 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:62158 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:09:03 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:09:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:130.88.200.93]:26381 "EHLO serenity.mcc.ac.uk") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:08:48 +0200 Received: from compsoc.umu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.22.5] helo=mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk ident=exim) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 17pe0d-0007tz-00; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:08:32 +0100 Received: from moz by mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17pe0d-000Muk-00; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:08:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:08:31 +0100 From: John Levon To: "David S. Miller" Cc: lm@bitmover.com, gmack@innerfire.net, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop Message-ID: <20020913000831.GA87854@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <20020912211056.J4739@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20020912141338.B14230@work.bitmover.com> <20020912.164754.133954355.davem@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020912.164754.133954355.davem@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Url: http://www.movementarian.org/ X-Record: Mr. Scruff - Trouser Jazz X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: movement@marcelothewonderpenguin.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 04:47:54PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: > In the for what it is worth department, I got mail from "esr@thyrus.org" > with a subject of "cool game" or something like that, and it was obviously > forged. It's interesting that they are getting smart enough to make it look > like it comes from someone that you've communicated with in the past. Sigh. > > There is someone basically forging email from anyone prominent > in the opensource community. I've even got these forges myself > addressed as from myself which is even more amusing :-) > > So I think rather it is this clown instead of someone figuring out > who you've had email with recently. [lk trimmed] I really think it's more likely to be Klez or variant. I get a variety of such forced emails. And given some of the angry out-of-the-blue emails I get, and since I don't exactly count as prominent, it's not some weirdo doing it by hand for some reason, unless he's /really/ diligent ;) regards john -- "here's a joke for you: why did the chicken turn around and around in circles. as i think she turned around; but why? why did the chicken cross the road; i think she turned around but why? why did the chicken turn around and do something else?" - Mega HAL From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:11:22 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:8143 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:11:07 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:11:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pizda.ninka.net ([IPv6:::ffff:216.101.162.242]:39106 "EHLO pizda.ninka.net") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:10:53 +0200 Received: from localhost (IDENT:davem@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pizda.ninka.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10294; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:02:28 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 17:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <20020912.170227.131789959.davem@redhat.com> To: movement@marcelothewonderpenguin.com Cc: lm@bitmover.com, gmack@innerfire.net, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop From: "David S. Miller" In-Reply-To: <20020913000831.GA87854@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <20020912141338.B14230@work.bitmover.com> <20020912.164754.133954355.davem@redhat.com> <20020913000831.GA87854@compsoc.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: davem@redhat.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org From: John Levon Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:08:31 +0100 I really think it's more likely to be Klez or variant. You're probably right now that I've read more about it. From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:14:03 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:19407 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:13:49 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:13:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2] ([IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2]:32397 "EHLO imladris.surriel.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:13:34 +0200 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:48269 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:13:19 -0300 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:13:17 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: John Levon cc: "David S. Miller" , , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: <20020913000831.GA87854@compsoc.man.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: riel@conectiva.com.br Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, John Levon wrote: > I really think it's more likely to be Klez or variant. I get a variety > of such forced emails. And given some of the angry out-of-the-blue > emails I get, and since I don't exactly count as prominent, it's not > some weirdo doing it by hand for some reason, unless he's /really/ > diligent ;) Not always. Many spammers have started to harvest not just single email addresses, but from/to address PAIRS. This will easily circumvent even Richard Gooch's old email filters ;) regards, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Spamtraps of the month: september@surriel.com trac@trac.org From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:31:39 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:27600 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:31:36 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:31:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from c17997.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au ([IPv6:::ffff:210.49.198.98]:3314 "EHLO satisfactory.karma") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:31:23 +0200 Received: by satisfactory.karma (Postfix, from userid 500) id 37D2B338B1; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:33:15 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 10:33:14 +1000 From: Andrew Clausen To: Rik van Riel Cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , lm@bitmover.com, gmack@innerfire.net, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop Message-ID: <20020913003314.GG1125@gnu.org> References: <20020913000831.GA87854@compsoc.man.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Accept-Language: en,pt X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: clausen@gnu.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:13:17PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > Not always. Many spammers have started to harvest not just > single email addresses, but from/to address PAIRS. Look on the bright side: it costs spammers a lot more this way. Spammers send big lists of names to relays, which costs O(N) bandwidth and other resources... a very low O(N), since they are bundled together. With this pair system, it becomes harder (more expensive) to batch things up. [Is this a fair assessment? Or is one-to-one spamming low-cost nowadays?] I guess they might start finding a vertex cover (i.e. the minimal set of vertices such that the union of those vertex neighbourhoods == the set of all vertices) That looks NP-complete to me, but you can probably approximate it enough to make it efficient. So maybe there is no bright side :( Has anyone seen this in the wild? Cheers, Andrew From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:37:09 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:55248 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:08 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2] ([IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2]:5010 "EHLO imladris.surriel.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:36:55 +0200 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:2706 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:36:41 -0300 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:36:40 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Andrew Clausen cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: <20020913003314.GG1125@gnu.org> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: riel@conectiva.com.br Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Andrew Clausen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:13:17PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > Not always. Many spammers have started to harvest not just > > single email addresses, but from/to address PAIRS. > > Look on the bright side: it costs spammers a lot more this way. This is one of the reasons why spammers are depending less on open relays and more on open proxies and cracked boxes nowadays. Some spammers have even spread around worms to automatically open up root (well, Admini~r) holes on machines, or just installing programs to automagically spread their spam. > Has anyone seen this in the wild? Yes. I've already gotten spam "from": - myself, various addresses (ha, but I'm not going to blacklist me) - bill davidson - stephen tweedie - ben lahaise - various other lkml inhabitants regards, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Spamtraps of the month: september@surriel.com trac@trac.org From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:50:22 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:49361 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:50:12 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from h66-38-216-165.gtconnect.net ([IPv6:::ffff:66.38.216.165]:54276 "HELO innerfire.net") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:49:56 +0200 Received: (qmail 29169 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 00:49:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 00:49:53 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:49:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerhard Mack To: Rik van Riel cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: gmack@innerfire.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > Not always. Many spammers have started to harvest not just > single email addresses, but from/to address PAIRS. > > This will easily circumvent even Richard Gooch's old email > filters ;) I just don't get it.. I undertand avoiding detection by hosting intermediate pages on dialup.. I understand obfuscated links to real pages. But I just don't understand why in the hell anyone would avoid a spam filter and email the exact sort of person who could cause them major headachs. But then If Alan Ralsky is any indicator they think they are invincable though I don't understand that attitude either considering how many privacy options are enabled on his cell phone. Gerhard -- Gerhard Mack gmack@innerfire.net <>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing. From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:52:32 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:60881 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:52:19 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from h66-38-216-165.gtconnect.net ([IPv6:::ffff:66.38.216.165]:56580 "HELO innerfire.net") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:52:04 +0200 Received: (qmail 29207 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 00:52:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 00:52:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:52:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerhard Mack To: Rik van Riel cc: Andrew Clausen , John Levon , "David S. Miller" , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: gmack@innerfire.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > This is one of the reasons why spammers are depending less on > open relays and more on open proxies and cracked boxes nowadays. > > Some spammers have even spread around worms to automatically open > up root (well, Admini~r) holes on machines, or just installing > programs to automagically spread their spam. > > > Has anyone seen this in the wild? > > Yes. I've already gotten spam "from": > - myself, various addresses (ha, but I'm not going to blacklist me) > - bill davidson > - stephen tweedie > - ben lahaise > - various other lkml inhabitants > I blacklisted myself.. I seem to catch nothing but spam that way. Gerhard -- Gerhard Mack gmack@innerfire.net <>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing. From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 02:56:13 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:8914 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:56:02 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:56:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2] ([IPv6:3ffe:8260:10f:ffff::2]:45205 "EHLO imladris.surriel.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 02:55:51 +0200 Received: from localhost ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:45461 "EHLO localhost") by imladris.surriel.com with ESMTP id ; Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:55:35 -0300 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:55:34 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Gerhard Mack cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: riel@conectiva.com.br Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Gerhard Mack wrote: > I just don't get it.. I undertand avoiding detection by hosting > intermediate pages on dialup.. I understand obfuscated links to real > pages. But I just don't understand why in the hell anyone would avoid a > spam filter and email the exact sort of person who could cause them > major headachs. Rule #3, spammers are stupid. > But then If Alan Ralsky is any indicator they think they are invincable > though I don't understand that attitude either considering how many > privacy options are enabled on his cell phone. Last month Alan Ralsky even did an interview with msnbc: | http://www.msnbc.com/news/792491.asp | Mr. Ralsky appears in all his glory, front and center. Some reactions from the SPAM-L mailing list: | I always imagined Spamsky to be a pimply-faced teenager, rather than a | poster-wrinkly for the utter failure of his anti-aging-stuff. | If you look real closely you can see the tip of his huge penis, | his massive breasts, his millions of dollars of overnight wealth, | his .... cheers, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Spamtraps of the month: september@surriel.com trac@trac.org From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 03:11:34 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:21730 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:11:23 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:11:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from h66-38-216-165.gtconnect.net ([IPv6:::ffff:66.38.216.165]:60676 "HELO innerfire.net") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:10:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 29310 invoked by uid 1000); 13 Sep 2002 01:10:43 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 01:10:43 -0000 Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerhard Mack To: Rik van Riel cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , , , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,PORN_10 version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: gmack@innerfire.net Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, 12 Sep 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > Rule #3, spammers are stupid. > > > But then If Alan Ralsky is any indicator they think they are invincable > > though I don't understand that attitude either considering how many > > privacy options are enabled on his cell phone. > > Last month Alan Ralsky even did an interview with msnbc: > > | http://www.msnbc.com/news/792491.asp > | Mr. Ralsky appears in all his glory, front and center. > > Some reactions from the SPAM-L mailing list: > > | I always imagined Spamsky to be a pimply-faced teenager, rather than a > | poster-wrinkly for the utter failure of his anti-aging-stuff. > > | If you look real closely you can see the tip of his huge penis, > | his massive breasts, his millions of dollars of overnight wealth, > | his .... My dislike for Ralsy is personal.. he convinced my former employer to do the credit card processing and develop porn sites for him. Dumbass copletely revamped his buisness for Ralsky. I quit, changed my cell numnber(yes he had it) and handed all Ralsky's private(real) isp info over to the anti spam groups along with details of the half proxy trick he was using to accept connections from panama but reply from the faster isp in the US. Between Leo and Ralsky a major Canadian isp was forced to change their spam policies. Gerhard PS I think 30 million is a low estimate he sent more than that just on the co owned sites with 2K Services. -- Gerhard Mack gmack@innerfire.net <>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing. From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Fri Sep 13 03:55:07 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:40934 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:54:57 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:54:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from c17997.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au ([IPv6:::ffff:210.49.198.98]:5362 "EHLO satisfactory.karma") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:54:37 +0200 Received: by satisfactory.karma (Postfix, from userid 500) id DD263338B1; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:56:34 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:56:34 +1000 From: Andrew Clausen To: Rik van Riel Cc: John Levon , "David S. Miller" , lm@bitmover.com, gmack@innerfire.net, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk, offtopic@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Spamcop Message-ID: <20020913015634.GH1125@gnu.org> References: <20020913003314.GG1125@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Accept-Language: en,pt X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: clausen@gnu.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:36:40PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Andrew Clausen wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 09:13:17PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > > Not always. Many spammers have started to harvest not just > > > single email addresses, but from/to address PAIRS. > > > > Look on the bright side: it costs spammers a lot more this way. > > This is one of the reasons why spammers are depending less on > open relays and more on open proxies and cracked boxes nowadays. > > Some spammers have even spread around worms to automatically open > up root (well, Admini~r) holes on machines, or just installing > programs to automagically spread their spam. Ah, good idea. But, doesn't that make it very illegal, and make them easy targets for police? (Presumebly, there's some way of contacting them, since they want money, and the money/information has to flow SOMEHOW to them... so the police flow the same way. Unless the information [credit card #s] just spreads to everyone) > > Has anyone seen this in the wild? > > Yes. 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