From mikkyx5@mail.com Thu May 16 07:07:43 2002 Received: from host-66-133-51-169.verestar.net ([IPv6:::ffff:66.133.51.169]:19979 "HELO humbolt.nl.linux.org") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Thu, 16 May 2002 07:07:27 +0200 From: "MR. MICHEAL EDEh" Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:09:47 To: offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Subject: ASSISTANCE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020516050733Z16516-13932+17@humbolt.nl.linux.org> Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Sir, I know you will be surprised to receive this letter I am Mr. Michael Edeh of the Democratic Republic of Congo and a close associate of the late President, Laurent Kabila,of the Democratic Republic of Congo. I got your address through the Congo Information Exchange. Our late President, Laurent Kabila assigned me and a colleague to convey some funds to his guest house, a day before he was assassinated, we had intentions to do as he instructed, but on hearing of his death, we saw this as a golden opportunity to divert this money since we have been seeing money exchange hands as top Military officers were looting the economy; we shared this money and I got a total sum of US$21.2Million (Twenty-one Million, Two Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only) in cash. Government originally had defaced the money for security reasons and I moved it to HOLLAND(NETHERLAND)as Diplomatic baggage where it is now deposited with a Security and Finance Company (TAGGED AS ARTIFACTS) in order to beat security. I am presently in Abidjan (Cote D’Ivoire). Where I ran to with my family, and are now living under an assumed name, as I was being sought for by his son Joseph the incumbent President,who wants to recover the money in the name of reconciliation but with the actual intention of keeping it for himself. As I have lost everything,except this money. I am prepared to offer you some percentage of this money which will be agreed on if only you will assist me to claim this money for safe keeping anywhere . >From the above, you will understand that my entire life and future depends on this money, as such I shall be very grateful if you can assist me. Please note that the major thing I demand from you is absolute assurance and utmost secrecy, kindly contact me on the above e-mail even when you decided otherwise, I will be most grateful if you maintain the confidentiality of this matter. I am looking forward to your urgent reply. Yours sincerely, Michael Edeh From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 22 14:10:18 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:13966 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:10:07 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Wed, 22 May 2002 14:10:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from onca.dc.ufscar.br ([IPv6:::ffff:200.18.99.9]:21684 "EHLO onca.dc.ufscar.br") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:09:38 +0200 Received: from coiote.dc.ufscar.br (coiote [200.18.99.100]) by onca.dc.ufscar.br (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24307 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:42:07 -0300 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:03:54 -0300 (BRT) From: Alessandro Noriaki Ide X-X-Sender: noriaki@coiote.dc.ufscar.br To: qtconsole@nl.linux.org Subject: qt download Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: noriaki@dc.ufscar.br Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Hi, How can I download the latest QT-Console available ? reguards, --Nori ______________________ Alessandro Noriaki Ide Ms. Computing Science From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 22 14:13:59 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:51598 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:13:51 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Wed, 22 May 2002 14:13:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from c17997.eburwd3.vic.optusnet.com.au ([IPv6:::ffff:210.49.198.98]:8178 "EHLO satisfactory.karma") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 22 May 2002 14:13:29 +0200 Received: by satisfactory.karma (Postfix, from userid 500) id CDF3C33E2A; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:13:23 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:13:23 +1000 From: Andrew Clausen To: Alessandro Noriaki Ide Cc: qtconsole@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: qt download Message-ID: <20020522121323.GG1140@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-Accept-Language: en,pt X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: clausen@gnu.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 09:03:54AM -0300, Alessandro Noriaki Ide wrote: > How can I download the latest QT-Console available ? It's at ftp.aprilfools.org Cheers, Andrew From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 29 16:15:19 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:39650 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:15:05 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Wed, 29 May 2002 16:15:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:130.88.200.93]:5125 "EHLO serenity.mcc.ac.uk") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:14:20 +0200 Received: from compsoc.umu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.22.5] helo=mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 17D4DT-000CdV-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:14:19 +0100 Received: from moz by mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17D4DP-000OcX-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:14:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:14:15 +0100 From: John Levon To: offtopic@nl.linux.org Cc: zippel@linux-m68k.org, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, yodaiken@fsmlabs.com Subject: Re: A reply on the RTLinux discussion. Message-ID: <20020529141415.GA93336@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <1022684357.4123.219.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1022684357.4123.219.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Url: http://www.movementarian.org/ X-Record: Bendik Singers - Afrotid X-Toppers: N/A X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: movement@marcelothewonderpenguin.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 03:59:17PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Take that up with Richard Stallman, he defined what the GPL linking > rules were, nobody else. What a bogus argument. The patents are licensed for GPL use only, and then you blame the GPL ? Uh ? And you're still not addressing the "what if RedHat etc. go bad?" problem. And bringing up IBM doesn't solve the problem of patents: it just /adds/ to the worries. The fact is, I cannot use ideas from these patents in free software (RedHat's or whoever's) without the risk that some day I will be sued to hell and back. GPL/free software license or not. The fact that these patents are much preferred to those held by companies with agendas who won't license to GPL software, does not make the patents OK, and frankly I'm quite surprised to hear you saying this :( > So why is he still moaning. He's got a legal opinion that he can use > binary apps on RTAI without paying the license. What else does he want ? No software patents ? regards john -- "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." - Hector Louis Berlioz From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 29 16:34:48 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:59876 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:34:35 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Wed, 29 May 2002 16:34:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc2-cwma1-5-cust12.swa.cable.ntl.com ([IPv6:::ffff:80.5.121.12]:15862 "EHLO irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:34:01 +0200 Received: from irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk (8.12.2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4TFbDZ1012850; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:37:13 +0100 Received: (from alan@localhost) by irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g4TFbBaO012848; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:37:11 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk: alan set sender to alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk using -f Subject: Re: A reply on the RTLinux discussion. From: Alan Cox To: John Levon Cc: offtopic@nl.linux.org, zippel@linux-m68k.org, yodaiken@fsmlabs.com In-Reply-To: <20020529141415.GA93336@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <1022684357.4123.219.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20020529141415.GA93336@compsoc.man.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-6) Date: 29 May 2002 16:37:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1022686630.9255.243.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 15:14, John Levon wrote: > And you're still not addressing the "what if RedHat etc. go bad?" The fact you even ask that question means you've not read the most basic intro to patent law and patent licensing. Look up estoppel. When a promise not to sue for patent violation is made it has certain force. That promise exists: http://www.redhat.com/legal/patent_policy.html so if you are writing GPL software you only have a problem if you sue Red Hat first. > The fact is, I cannot use ideas from these patents in free software > (RedHat's or whoever's) without the risk that some day I will be sued > to hell and back. GPL/free software license or not. Look up estoppel. > > So why is he still moaning. He's got a legal opinion that he can use > > binary apps on RTAI without paying the license. What else does he want ? > > No software patents ? Which is the position Red Hat is campaigning for, both in the EU and also in the USA. From offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 29 16:56:56 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:14826 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:56:42 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list offtopic); Wed, 29 May 2002 16:56:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:130.88.200.94]:27142 "EHLO probity.mcc.ac.uk") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 29 May 2002 16:56:04 +0200 Received: from compsoc.umu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.22.5] helo=mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #7) id 17D4qt-0009nE-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:55:03 +0100 Received: from moz by mrtall.compsoc.man.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17D4qq-000P3p-00; Wed, 29 May 2002 15:55:00 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:55:00 +0100 From: John Levon To: Alan Cox Cc: offtopic@nl.linux.org, zippel@linux-m68k.org, yodaiken@fsmlabs.com Subject: Re: A reply on the RTLinux discussion. Message-ID: <20020529145459.GA95931@compsoc.man.ac.uk> References: <1022684357.4123.219.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20020529141415.GA93336@compsoc.man.ac.uk> <1022686630.9255.243.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1022686630.9255.243.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Url: http://www.movementarian.org/ X-Record: Bendik Singers - Afrotid X-Toppers: N/A X-Scanner: exiscan *17D4qt-0009nE-00*NqeCYkFJkK2* (Manchester Computing, University of Manchester) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: offtopic-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: levon@movementarian.org Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: offtopic Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/offtopic/folders/offtopic"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;offtopic-archive@nl.linux.org On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:37:10PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > The fact you even ask that question means you've not read the most basic > intro to patent law and patent licensing. Look up estoppel. When a > promise not to sue for patent violation is made it has certain force. You are assuming that legal departments hassling people is not a problem. A simple threat, valid or not (legal or not), is enough to harm a free software project built by volunteers. I know you know this. > > No software patents ? > > Which is the position Red Hat is campaigning for, both in the EU and > also in the USA. Just because the patent policy calls the inconsistency "perceived" doesn't mean it's not a real inconsistency. I can understand Red Hat's decision, but personally I think the assertion that such patents do not harm the free software community is deceptive. Since I'm not planning to infringe on these patents any time soon, and I've made my point, I'll shut up now :) regards john -- "Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils." - Hector Louis Berlioz