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Re: supporting XIM
On Sunday 30 March 2003 11:49 pm, Jungshik Shin wrote:
> Edward Cherlin wrote:
> >On Sunday 30 March 2003 06:29 pm, Jungshik Shin wrote:
> >>Edward Cherlin wrote:
> >>>On Sunday 30 March 2003 03:26 am, Jungshik Shin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I
> >>>can't test some of the others myself, and haven't heard any
> >>>detailed information on them. I have not found any problems
> >>>with diacritics in Latin and Cyrillic.
> >>
> >> Well, you do have problems with characters with diacritics
> >>in Latin,Greek and Cyrillic for which
> >>Unicode does NOT have assigned and will NEVER assign
> >> separate codepoints. That's
> >>what I was talking about. There are tens , if not
> >> hundreds,
> >
> >thousands, if not tens of thousands. I'm a mathematician.
>
> I know how to multiply, too. It doesn't take a mathematician
> to multiply, does it? :-)
I see that I didn't make myself clear. I mean that mathematics
uses many more multiple accent combinations than any ordinary
human language.
> The reason I wrote tens/ hundreds
> instead of thousands/tens of thousands was that I like to
> give the number of combinations that have turned up
> in existing documents rather than the number of
> all possible combinations.
I assure you that I'm talking about combinations that have turned
up in existing mathematics journals and textbooks.
> >>of combinations
> >>(base character + one or more diacritic mark(s)) that can
> >> ONLY be represented by combining character sequences.
> >
> >Like this?
> >à̀
> >It's an a with two accents, and it composes and displays
> >correctly in kwrite and kmail, with one accent above the
> > other.
> >
> >Let's try some more.
> >á̀ế̀̀î́̀ổ́̀̀û̀̀n̂́̀x̂̉́̀̀
> >Not too bad, except that only the first three accents on each
> >letter are actually displayed, and the dot on the i isn't
> >removed. Curiously, Yudit doesn't handle multiple accents as
> >well as these simple-minded apps do.
>
> Yudit needs the same change as I proposed for Pango in this
> mail and a couple of others. Yudit supports opentype layout
> table for several Indic scripts and it needs to do the same
> for Latin/Greek/Cyrillic alphabets. SIL has one such font.
> Unfortunately, the last time I downloaded it, there's
> something wrong with zip and I couldn't try it.
> (http://www.sil.org/~gaultney/gentium/index.html)
>
> >What do you see in your mail?
>
> I can't tell without knowing what I'm supposed to see.
> Anyway, what I see is two diacritics overlapped over
> each other instead of taking disjoint 'spaces' alongside
> or on top of /below each other. See
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/st-erkenwald.html
> for a real life example.
>
> Didn't I specifically write that Pango does not support
> diacrtic marks combined with base characters while Uniscribe
> does (although it didn't until very recently)? I know
> that xterm and vim support up to two combining characters
> and that's how pre-1933 Korean script and Latin/Greek/Cyrillic
> diacritic marks are supported by xterm/vim.
Three stacked diacritics in kwrite and kmail.
> I guess
> kmail/kwrite do likewise. However, that's a kind of the last
> resort when you don't have a better way to do it properly.
> Eventually, what we need is support in Pango and that's filed
> as
> bug 101079 (see
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101079)
>
> Other pango bugs I filed (excluding Korean-specific ones)
> include :
>
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101081
> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=106624
>
> >The starting point of this discussion was the inability to
> > use Chinese, Korean, and Japanese IMEs in the same locale. I
> > write documents in all three languages, and I would do it
> > more often if it were actually convenient.
>
> This is becoming rather frustrating. How many times do I
> have to write that it IS possible right now to install all of
> them and switch between them in a *single* application
> (session) running under any UTF-8 locale of your choice? Why
> don't you try installing all three of them (im-ja, imhangul
> and wenju ) and fire up gedit
Aha! The complete information! Will do.
> and right-click on the text
> input area to see what you have? The very same information was
> given in last Decemeber and this thread doesn't add any new
> information except for im-ja in place of other less advanced
> Japanese gtk2 input modules.
Somehow I saw a whole lot of pieces, but not the whole picture.
> Jungshik
I still think that this should be put into a HOWTO of its own.
I'll put it in the Unicode HOWTO, anyway. Thanks.
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Edward Cherlin
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