From linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 1 01:54:55 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:30872 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 01:54:53 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list linux-cluster); Wed, 01 May 2002 01:54:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from bi-01pt1.bluebird.ibm.com ([IPv6:::ffff:129.42.208.186]:51541 "EHLO ibmlaptop.linux-ha.org") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 01:53:42 +0200 Received: from unix.sh (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ibmlaptop.linux-ha.org (Postfix on SuSE Linux 7.3 (i386)) with ESMTP id 22FAD46B28; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:53:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <3CCF2E70.20908@unix.sh> Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:53:20 -0600 From: Alan Robertson Organization: IBM Linux Technology Center User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20010923 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Freemyer Cc: Linux Clusters Mailinig List , Linux HA - users mailing lins Subject: Re: Interesting References: <20020429223855.KSFE18857.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@taz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: alanr@unix.sh Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-cluster Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/linux-cluster/folders/linux-cluster"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Greg Freemyer wrote: > I just saw that Suse 8.0 Professional includes Sun's Grid Engine. > > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-04/sunflash.20020422.1.html > > I don't know anything about it, but it is nice to see some cluster solutions going into a mainstream distribution. > > There are probably others, but none that I know of. > > BTW: I assume it is a HP clustering solution, not an HA one. FYI: Heartbeat ships with SuSE, Conectiva, Mandrake, and MSC Linux. -- Alan Robertson alanr@unix.sh - Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ From linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 1 07:39:48 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:37831 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 07:39:39 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list linux-cluster); Wed, 01 May 2002 07:39:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from adsl-65-68-135-106.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net ([IPv6:::ffff:65.68.135.106]:24494 "EHLO ramius.hardwarefreak.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 07:26:22 +0200 Received: by RAMIUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2WPS72J9>; Wed, 1 May 2002 00:26:19 -0500 Message-ID: <65717CC11CAED4118C1100A02401ECAA02A90E@RAMIUS> From: Stan Hoeppner To: 'Greg Freemyer' , Linux Clusters Mailinig List Subject: RE: re[2]: Interesting Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:26:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: stan@hardwarefreak.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-cluster Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/linux-cluster/folders/linux-cluster"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org This is an excerpt from a SUN press release at http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-04/sunflash.20020422.1.html ************* About the Grid Engine Project The Grid Engine open source project is the home for the growing Grid Engine user and developer community. Grid Engine software is a leading distributed resource management tool for cluster and campus grids. Managing and submitting jobs to available compute resources in an individual grid, Grid Engine technology maximizes CPU utilization, increases productivity and return on investment. Sponsored by Sun Microsystems, the project is at www.gridengine.sunsource.net. Sun Grid Engine is also available as a free download at www.sun.com/grid. Users of Grid Engine technology include Ford, Caprion Pharmaceuticals, BP, Cognigen Corporation, Motorola, Sony Semiconductor and Devices Europe, Aachen University of Technology, University of Durham and University of Edinburgh. ************* As I already stated, the GRID concept is about resource management. It's more like Mosix than SETI@Home. The impetus for this technology started in the academic research environment, where scientists have multiple types of systems, i.e. workstations, clusters, supercomputers, massive SMP servers, etc. At any given time, CPU cycles on many systems were being wasted. Researches wanted a way to make use of all cycles on all their machines for simulation apps, and thus the concept of "Grid computing" was formed. Take a bunch of machines, any kind (*nix), add some low level resource management/scheduling software (grid software), and now magically you can have remote access to infinite CPU resources--you will have access to literally as many processors as you have *assigned* into your grid, potentially in the thousands. Applications for the GRID will necessarily need to be fairly lean on interprocess communication, thus you're not going to run LINPACK across processors/machines in a GRID. Applications will need to be tailored to have little IPC, and process most data locally, due to network bandwidth/latency constraints. If you already have apps like this, GRID computing will be of benifit. Lastly, keep in mind that this is still in the very early stages of development. GRID software is a low level enabling technology. GRID is all about horizontal scalability of CPU bound applications. IBM is in the infancy stages of creating GRID type software to be used for commercial data processing of E-Commerce types of transactions. It's a long way from commercialization. SUN's GRID software, AFAIK, is geared to the scientific/simulation app space. Obviously, you can find out far more about the GRID at the links provided above. Hope this is the type of info you were looking for. StanTheMan TheHardwareFreak http://www.hardwarefreak.com stan@hardwarefreak.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Freemyer [mailto:freemyer@NorcrossGroup.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:06 PM > To: Stan Hoeppner; Linux Clusters Mailinig List > Cc: Linux HA - users mailing lins > Subject: re[2]: Interesting > > > > Thanks for the info, > > So it is more like the SETI project, where they supply a > screen-saver that runs calculations in the background and > forwards the results to a main system somewhere. > > Note quite what I thought it was, but I still find it interesting. > > >> AFAIK, Sun's Grid Engine project (as well as IBM's grid > initiative) is not > >> really clustering per say, but more of a distributed > computing model. > > >> Think of the Mosix concept "loosely" but on a > potentially EXTREMELY large > >> scale. The main push of "The Grid" is to allow > "seamless" access to CPU > >> cycles, regardless of location. This seems more like a > distributed model, > >> vs. clustered, as the the latencies across the internet > preclude HP > >> clustering. Grid software is gear toward locating hosts > with free cycles > >> to > >> launch processes on, rather than say running an MPI app > on 64,000 machines > >> across the net. > > >> StanTheMan > >> TheHardwareFreak > >> http://www.hardwarefreak.com > >> stan@hardwarefreak.com > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Greg Freemyer [mailto:freemyer@NorcrossGroup.com] > >> > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:36 PM > >> > To: Linux Clusters Mailinig List > >> > Cc: Linux HA - users mailing lins > >> > Subject: Interesting > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I just saw that Suse 8.0 Professional includes Sun's > Grid Engine. > >> > > >> > http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2002-04/sunflash.20020422.1.html >> > >> > I don't know anything about it, but it is nice to see some >> > cluster solutions going into a mainstream distribution. >> > >> > There are probably others, but none that I know of. >> > >> > BTW: I assume it is a HP clustering solution, not an HA one. >> > >> > Greg Freemyer >> > Internet Engineer >> > Deployment and Integration Specialist >> > Compaq ASE - Tru64 >> > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect >> > The Norcross Group >> > www.NorcrossGroup.com >> > >> > >> > - >> > Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux >> > Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ >> > >> - >> Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux >> Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ Greg Freemyer Internet Engineer Deployment and Integration Specialist Compaq ASE - Tru64 Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect The Norcross Group www.NorcrossGroup.com - Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ From linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Wed May 1 10:35:40 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:42205 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:35:30 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list linux-cluster); Wed, 01 May 2002 10:34:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 86-MADR-X44.libre.retevision.es ([IPv6:::ffff:62.83.27.86]:54261 "EHLO crisaor.bluesock.net") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 1 May 2002 10:08:05 +0200 Received: from carlos by crisaor.bluesock.net with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 172pDB-0000BC-00; Wed, 01 May 2002 10:11:41 +0200 Subject: Re: Interesting From: Carlos Manzanedo To: freemyer@norcrossgroup.com Cc: Linux Clusters Mailinig List In-Reply-To: <3CCF2E70.20908@unix.sh> References: <20020429223855.KSFE18857.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@taz> <3CCF2E70.20908@unix.sh> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-dSq4V0fXq9iHyfCU408F" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Date: 01 May 2002 10:11:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1020240700.617.6.camel@crisaor.bluesock.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: manaha@wanadoo.es Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-cluster Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/linux-cluster/folders/linux-cluster"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org --=-dSq4V0fXq9iHyfCU408F Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 01:53, Alan Robertson wrote: > FYI: Heartbeat ships with SuSE, Conectiva, Mandrake, and MSC Linux. >=20 > -- Alan Robertson > alanr@unix.sh I know that it's a different distro... but also in debian SID (unstable) you've got - compaq ssi, mosix and of course heartbeat. I have not look it on woody (the next stable realease) but i think that it has surely mosix and heartbeat... Carlos Manzanedo >=20 > - > Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux > Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ >=20 >=20 --=-dSq4V0fXq9iHyfCU408F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8z6M8U0satPkO5VcRAmEXAJ0SCYe1CPMIH4kENl04ryC7eyOVMQCbBPRv uII+9qixBh0R2wWLCSidEwE= =hYh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-dSq4V0fXq9iHyfCU408F-- - Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/ From linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Thu May 16 03:37:12 2002 Received: from localhost.nl.linux.org ([IPv6:::ffff:127.0.0.1]:59312 "EHLO humbolt.") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 May 2002 03:36:57 +0200 Received: with LISTAR (v1.0.0; list linux-cluster); Thu, 16 May 2002 03:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from suntan.tandem.com ([IPv6:::ffff:192.216.221.8]:36088 "EHLO suntan.tandem.com") by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 May 2002 03:35:31 +0200 Received: from kahuna.cag.cpqcorp.net (kahuna.cag.cpqcorp.net [16.61.168.50]) by suntan.tandem.com (8.9.3/2.0.1) with ESMTP id SAA04476 for ; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hp.com ([16.47.228.245]) by kahuna.cag.cpqcorp.net (8.10.1/UW7.1.1-NSCd) with ESMTP id g4G1N0b28638; Wed, 15 May 2002 18:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3CE30849.57E1582A@hp.com> Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:15:53 -0700 From: "Brian J. Watson" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos Manzanedo CC: freemyer@norcrossgroup.com, Linux Clusters Mailinig List Subject: Re: Interesting References: <20020429223855.KSFE18857.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@taz> <3CCF2E70.20908@unix.sh> <1020240700.617.6.camel@crisaor.bluesock.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests= version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: X-listar-version: Listar v1.0.0 Sender: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org Errors-to: linux-cluster-bounce@nl.linux.org X-original-sender: Brian.J.Watson@hp.com Precedence: bulk List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Listar version 1.0.0 X-List-ID: List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: linux-cluster Return-Path: X-Envelope-To: <"| /bin/marchive -a -m -f /home/majordomo/public_html/linux-cluster/folders/linux-cluster"> (uid 0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-cluster-archive@nl.linux.org Carlos Manzanedo wrote: > I know that it's a different distro... but also in debian SID (unstable) > you've got - compaq ssi, mosix and of course heartbeat. I have not look > it on woody (the next stable realease) but i think that it has surely > mosix and heartbeat... Is the SSI clustering stuff available as a Debian package? I hunted around on debian.org, but couldn't find it. -- Brian Watson | "Now I don't know, but I been told it's Software Developer | hard to run with the weight of gold, Open SSI Clustering Project | Other hand I heard it said, it's Hewlett-Packard Company | just as hard with the weight of lead." | -Robert Hunter, 1970 mailto:Brian.J.Watson@hp.com http://opensource.compaq.com/ - Linux-cluster: generic cluster infrastructure for Linux Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-cluster/