From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 2 23:21:19 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:20:51 +0100 Received: from netcom16.netcom.com ([199.183.9.116]:15891 "EHLO netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:20:19 +0100 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13029 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:18:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:18:38 -0800 From: "John C. Peterson" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Christmas Wish Lists Message-ID: <19991202141838.A12196@netcom16.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Thu Dec 2 13:57:54 PST 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list With the holidays coming up, I thought it might be fun for people to post thier Christmas "wish lists". No, I don't mean that new GPS unit or whatever, I mean in terms of aviation software for Linux. I'll create a new "Wanted Software" section in the next release of the Linux Aviation HOWTO using the best responses. To start things off; - Wanted: Hardware independent GPS interface software. Details; The problem with existing GPS interface software is that it usually is designed for units from a specific manufacturer. The idea would be to develop a new software API layer for hiding the details of the actual (proprietary) protocol being used. The API would provide functions for uploading waypoints, routes, and downloading of tracks, etc. A device independent user interface could then be built on top of the API (much like what SANE does for scanners). Later, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, | "Once you have flown, -(*)- | you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there o/ \o | you have been, there you long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Fri Dec 3 00:11:45 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:11:10 +0100 Received: from shell13.ba.best.com ([206.184.139.144]:773 "EHLO shell13.ba.best.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:10:34 +0100 Received: (from jerryk@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id PAA25750; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Message-Id: <199912022308.PAA25750@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Christmas Wish Lists In-Reply-To: <19991202141838.A12196@netcom16.netcom.com> from "John C. Peterson" at "Dec 2, 99 02:18:38 pm" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:08:51 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list > > With the holidays coming up, I thought it might be fun for people to > post thier Christmas "wish lists". No, I don't mean that new GPS unit or > whatever, I mean in terms of aviation software for Linux. I'll create a > new "Wanted Software" section in the next release of the Linux Aviation > HOWTO using the best responses. To start things off; > *** How about a standardized API for doing DUATS-type stuff, e.g., getting weather reports and filing flight plans? I've seen at least one TCL script for doing this, but DUATS alas changes their format occasionally - such scripts are always out of date. Also, there are at least two different DUATS services. Such an API/"driver" could be a nice building block towards creating industrial-strength flight planning S/W. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com ) - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Wed Dec 15 22:09:16 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:08:45 +0100 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com ([199.183.9.109]:15627 "EHLO netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:08:23 +0100 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20599 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John C. Peterson" Message-Id: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> Subject: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:04:48 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list FWIW, I received my copy of the (US) National Airspace Data CD-ROM last week. For those that were interested in it, here is a little snapshot of what is on it... First off, the $36 cost included shipping by FedEx Overnight, so delivery is timely. Looks like they come out about 3 weeks ahead of the time the data is considered effective. (The CD was stamped with 1 Jan, 2000 as the "effective date"). Curiously, I got another CD on Monday of this week to correct an error in one of the files, not bad! The CD does indeed contain all the data files they describe on their web site. They are all simple ASCII files, with fixed length records. Documentation is included describing each of the files. There are no "comma delimited" format files on the CD-ROM, like those that were available for free download at one time. I hope to have the avdbtools software fixed sometime after the holidays and get the US database files on the fplan web site updated. (It will also contain the new year 2000 IGRF and WMM coefficents for the magnetic variation model). I have looked everything over, and it doesn't look like the changes required are very radical, but I really won't have much free time until after the holiday crush. To keep the work involved to the minimum, my plan is to write new awk scripts to generate intermediate files with "colon separated" fields, similar to the old "comma separated" ones. I looked at the awk scripts that were used to generate the old comma separated files and quickly concluded that "," is a bad choice for a field separator. Any "," characters that actually appeared in the data were being silently deleted! Not a good idea if you can avoid it. By using colon for a separator, you can simply re map any that actually appear in the data files to a semicolon using sed, without really changing anything (the record length in particular). It appears they are only used for punctuation in remarks, so no big deal. I'll probably only extract the data fields required by the fplan format files to keep things simple. However, if anyone has an interest in using these scripts for other purposes, let me know and I can add additional data fields. Seasons Greetings, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Micro$oft free since 1987... I support -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | the boycott of all Micro$oft products! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Wed Dec 15 22:52:05 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:51:36 +0100 Received: from mail.xmission.com ([198.60.22.22]:31248 "EHLO mail.xmission.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:51:10 +0100 Received: from xmission.xmission.com ([198.60.22.20] ident=dfs) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 11yMGx-00016S-00 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:47:47 -0700 Received: (from dfs@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA14025 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:47:46 -0700 (MST) From: "D.F.S." Message-Id: <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:47:46 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> from "John C. Peterson" at Dec 15, 99 01:04:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list > > > FWIW, > > I received my copy of the (US) National Airspace Data CD-ROM last > week. For those that were interested in it, here is a little snapshot > of what is on it... > Is there a plan to make this set as a whole in the original format avalible on the net? Is there any copyright or legal limitation preventing this? I nobody else is interested I'll spring for a copy if someone else has the space on a permanent FTP site. Marc - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Wed Dec 15 23:59:18 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:58:48 +0100 Received: from lsajca1-ar3-012-122.biz.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.12.122]:7988 "EHLO lrz.uni-muenchen.de" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:58:20 +0100 Received: (from eugene.leitl@localhost) by lrz.uni-muenchen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA25012; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:50:53 -0800 From: Eugene Leitl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14424.10588.865499.508774@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:50:52 -0800 (PST) To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com> References: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Provided it's legal, I would love to have a complete iso image to download. D.F.S. writes: > > I received my copy of the (US) National Airspace Data CD-ROM last > > week. For those that were interested in it, here is a little snapshot > > of what is on it... > > > Is there a plan to make this set as a whole in the original format > avalible on the net? > > Is there any copyright or legal limitation preventing this? > > I nobody else is interested I'll spring for a copy if someone > else has the space on a permanent FTP site. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 01:54:49 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:54:23 +0100 Received: from terra.geo.uu.nl ([131.211.29.16]:51371 "EHLO terra.geo.uu.nl" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:53:53 +0100 Received: from netcom.com (jaypee@netcom13.netcom.com [199.183.9.113]) by terra.geo.uu.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/TvZ) with ESMTP id BAA15270 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 01:50:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06182 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:45:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:45:16 -0800 From: "John C. Peterson" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM Message-ID: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> References: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0-current-19991215us In-Reply-To: <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com>; from dfs@xmission.com on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:47:46PM -0700 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Wed Dec 15 16:32:54 PST 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:47:46PM -0700, D.F.S. wrote: > > FWIW, > > > > I received my copy of the (US) National Airspace Data CD-ROM last > > week. For those that were interested in it, here is a little snapshot > > of what is on it... > > > Is there a plan to make this set as a whole in the original format > avalible on the net? The "raw" fixed length record files are really HUGE to put it mildly. But, given that they contain *tons* of blanks, they can probably be compressed quite a bit with (b|g)zip. I dont have the CD handy, but I can post a file listing and some compression stats after I get home this evening. Unfortunately, the resources I'm given for the fplan web site won't be enough in any case. As it is, I barely have enough space for the compressed versions formatted for fplan. But, if anyone on the list has extra server space and bandwidth, please speak up and let us know! > Is there any copyright or legal limitation preventing this? > I did not see any files on the CD that resembled a license agreement. When I get time, I am going to ask Katherine Spencer, the FAA contact, about this issue since it is relevant to the redistribution of the fplan format files. I'll let you know... I'm a little surprised by the sudden interest in the "raw" data. Just curious about what people plan on doing with it???? John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, | "Once you have flown, -(*)- | you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there o/ \o | you have been, there you long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 02:05:29 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:05:00 +0100 Received: from lsajca1-ar3-012-122.biz.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.12.122]:54332 "EHLO lrz.uni-muenchen.de" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:04:42 +0100 Received: (from eugene.leitl@localhost) by lrz.uni-muenchen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA25759; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:57:16 -0800 From: Eugene Leitl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14424.18171.413816.971531@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:57:15 -0800 (PST) To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> References: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> <199912152147.OAA14025@xmission.xmission.com> <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list John C. Peterson writes: > I'm a little surprised by the sudden interest in the "raw" > data. Just curious about what people plan on doing with it???? Would be useful for car travels, especially in a wearable with GPS. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 02:25:33 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:25:04 +0100 Received: from mail.xmission.com ([198.60.22.22]:39685 "EHLO mail.xmission.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:24:38 +0100 Received: from xmission.xmission.com ([198.60.22.20] ident=dfs) by mail.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #3) id 11yPbY-0001Mw-00 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:21:16 -0700 Received: (from dfs@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id SAA19642 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:21:15 -0700 (MST) From: "D.F.S." Message-Id: <199912160121.SAA19642@xmission.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:21:14 -0700 (MST) In-Reply-To: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> from "John C. Peterson" at Dec 15, 99 04:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list I didn't include the text, but here is what I would plan to look into doing with the data.. I have a bunch of GPS rcvrs, they are dirt cheap and small. I would like to build a system around them. They are not whole navigation units, just the rcvrs, I'd like to build a system to provide many of the same features of the high end certified units, but also stuff like telephone numbers, FBOs and a picture of what the layout of a given airport should look like from my present location. All that data necessary is there. Last time I compresed these files down from the tapes themselves they packed down over 90% Some judicious processing could pack it down MUCH further by encoding given fields and packed into Flash Memory. I have a BUNCH of 8 Megabyte Modules to do this with. Other stuff would be handy, like "List the frequencies of all the Navaids I could reasonably expect to pick up from my current location and alt." Other stuff could be "Plan a flight from here to Miami and make sure every every airport has either a GPS approach or does not require a REAL DME" Stuff like that. Marc - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 02:29:54 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:29:35 +0100 Received: from ns1.atww.net ([209.8.220.10]:45064 "EHLO ns1.atww.net" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:29:09 +0100 Received: from phzzzt.atww.net (phzzzt.atww.net [209.8.220.30]) by ns1.atww.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14238 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:25:47 -0500 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by phzzzt.atww.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id UAA09465 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:25:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (alan@localhost) by mattress.atww.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA13508 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:17:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: "A. Reichert" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list I may be able to help with the FTP availability. (1) What is the total size, and (2) can you tell me for certain that there is no copyright problems? - Alan On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, John C. Peterson wrote: ... > The "raw" fixed length record files are really HUGE to put > it mildly. But, given that they contain *tons* of blanks, they can > probably be compressed quite a bit with (b|g)zip. I dont have the CD > handy, but I can post a file listing and some compression stats after > I get home this evening. > > Unfortunately, the resources I'm given for the fplan web site > won't be enough in any case. As it is, I barely have enough space > for the compressed versions formatted for fplan. But, if anyone on > the list has extra server space and bandwidth, please speak up and > let us know! > > > Is there any copyright or legal limitation preventing this? > > > > I did not see any files on the CD that resembled a license > agreement. When I get time, I am going to ask Katherine Spencer, > the FAA contact, about this issue since it is relevant to the > redistribution of the fplan format files. I'll let you know... ... - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 02:33:52 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:33:24 +0100 Received: from terra.geo.uu.nl ([131.211.29.16]:25004 "EHLO terra.geo.uu.nl" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:32:53 +0100 Received: from mx1.cape.com (mx1.cape.com [204.107.252.28]) by terra.geo.uu.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/TvZ) with ESMTP id CAA16011 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:29:19 +0100 (MET) Received: from nhv (tsc-182.cape.com [140.186.55.182]) by mx1.cape.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16383 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:28:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.cape.com: Host tsc-182.cape.com [140.186.55.182] claimed to be nhv From: "Norman Vine" To: Subject: RE: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:27:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf4764$b0285c40$b637ba8c@nhv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <199912152104.NAA20599@netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list John C. Peterson writes: > > I received my copy of the (US) National Airspace Data CD-ROM last >week. For those that were interested in it, here is a little snapshot >of what is on it... > > To keep the work involved to the minimum, my plan is to write new >awk scripts to generate intermediate files with "colon separated" >fields, similar to the old "comma separated" ones. I looked at the >awk scripts that were used to generate the old comma separated files >and quickly concluded that "," is a bad choice for a field separator. FWIW I have found a bar '|' better then a colon ':' as a separator when dealing with geographic data in that often a colon is used as in. degree : minute : second Norman Vine - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 02:45:17 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:44:34 +0100 Received: from shell13.ba.best.com ([206.184.139.144]:21262 "EHLO shell13.ba.best.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:44:10 +0100 Received: (from jerryk@localhost) by shell13.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.sh) id RAA20608; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jerome Kaidor Message-Id: <199912160140.RAA20608@shell13.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <14424.18171.413816.971531@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> from Eugene Leitl at "Dec 15, 99 05:57:15 pm" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:40:31 -0800 (PST) Cc: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list > John C. Peterson writes: > > > I'm a little surprised by the sudden interest in the "raw" > > data. Just curious about what people plan on doing with it???? > *** Well, I hadn't thought of this, but..... I have a Lowrance Airmap. It's sat peacefully in my flight bag for a couple of years. Somehow, at some point in time, it got a little confused, and - well - the database got scrambled and then went away. So now I have an Airmap with no database. It still shows land and water features, just no airports, navaids, or Special Use Airspace. Given that the thing is just for VFR navigation, maybe I could just convert the government data and load it in. - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry@tr2.com ) - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 09:10:44 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:10:15 +0100 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com ([199.183.9.103]:2825 "EHLO netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:09:50 +0100 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16561 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:06:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 00:06:15 -0800 From: "John C. Peterson" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM Message-ID: <19991216000615.A16392@netcom3.netcom.com> References: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0-current-19991215us In-Reply-To: ; from alan@reichertech.com on Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 08:17:02PM -0500 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Thu Dec 16 00:04:07 PST 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 08:17:02PM -0500, A. Reichert wrote: > > I may be able to help with the FTP availability. (1) What is the total > size, See below... >and (2) can you tell me for certain that there is no copyright > problems? > > - Alan > Will check on this... I tried compressing the "raw" NASD fixed length record data files. The original files are indeed pretty BIG (total > 245 MB). The good news is that I found out they will compress much better than I had first guessed. They compress to as little as roughly 3% of the original size (using bzip2 compression). I calculated a histogram of the "apt.txt" file and found that 87.3% of the characters are blanks, so these ratios are not too surprising in view of that. Using bzip2, all the data is less than 8 MB! Here's the nitty-gritty: gzip compression stats: no compression gzip -1 gzip -9 ============== ======= ======= aff.txt: 1492194 172587 137010 apt.txt: 102171238 8268917 6638055 arb.txt: 905848 52475 33527 awy.txt: 9074325 1140017 821790 com.txt: 1016090 91096 72156 fix.txt: 36673780 1514892 1110183 fss.txt: 2756449 101375 80508 hpf.txt: 7819728 810756 645089 ils.txt: 1929194 287609 228867 lid.txt: 23571135 1040744 725685 mtr.txt: 14525280 930474 707117 nav.txt: 6753480 618244 490246 oth.txt: 2632531 333050 226927 pfr.txt: 11299865 421894 301844 pja.txt: 462324 49602 40023 ssd.txt: 1578654 212855 162090 sua.txt: 7024368 319831 215716 twr.txt: 13074432 705387 526279 wxl.txt: 289419 68318 57680 ---------- ---------- ---------- Totals 245050334 17140123 13220792 Ratios 6.99453 % 5.3951 % bzip2 compression stats: no compression bzip2 -1 bzip2 -9 ============== ======== ======== aff.txt: 1492194 131997 121245 apt.txt: 102171238 4647535 3735390 arb.txt: 905848 24679 23231 awy.txt: 9074325 578409 497476 com.txt: 1016090 46222 39982 fix.txt: 36673780 580053 539569 fss.txt: 2756449 54133 46939 hpf.txt: 7819728 373526 284158 ils.txt: 1929194 190893 172369 lid.txt: 23571135 430320 361081 mtr.txt: 14525280 451197 387903 nav.txt: 6753480 359318 326460 oth.txt: 2632531 164553 159021 pfr.txt: 11299865 203243 165497 pja.txt: 462324 32111 30434 ssd.txt: 1578654 135968 118388 sua.txt: 7024368 130183 110767 twr.txt: 13074432 365681 310752 wxl.txt: 289419 44735 43638 ---------- ---------- ---------- Totals 245050334 8944756 7474300 Ratios 3.65017 % 3.05011 % -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel x86, it's the -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | Ferarri of 32 bit operating systems! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 10:57:14 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:56:40 +0100 Received: from lsajca1-ar3-012-122.biz.dsl.gtei.net ([4.3.12.122]:33804 "EHLO lrz.uni-muenchen.de" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:56:13 +0100 Received: (from eugene.leitl@localhost) by lrz.uni-muenchen.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA28986; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:48:44 -0800 From: Eugene Leitl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14424.50057.615028.909741@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:48:41 -0800 (PST) To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM In-Reply-To: <19991216000615.A16392@netcom3.netcom.com> References: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> <19991216000615.A16392@netcom3.netcom.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Is this what we're talking about? http://www.faa.gov/nfdcata100/100freq.html Does anybody have a screenshot of a plotted map from the dataset? John C. Peterson writes: > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 08:17:02PM -0500, A. Reichert wrote: > > > > I may be able to help with the FTP availability. (1) What is the total > > size, > > See below... > > >and (2) can you tell me for certain that there is no copyright > > problems? > > > > - Alan > > > > Will check on this... > > I tried compressing the "raw" NASD fixed length record data files. > The original files are indeed pretty BIG (total > 245 MB). The good > news is that I found out they will compress much better than I had first > guessed. They compress to as little as roughly 3% of the original size > (using bzip2 compression). I calculated a histogram of the "apt.txt" > file and found that 87.3% of the characters are blanks, so these ratios > are not too surprising in view of that. Using bzip2, all the data is > less than 8 MB! Here's the nitty-gritty: > > > gzip compression stats: > > no compression gzip -1 gzip -9 > ============== ======= ======= > > aff.txt: 1492194 172587 137010 > apt.txt: 102171238 8268917 6638055 > arb.txt: 905848 52475 33527 > awy.txt: 9074325 1140017 821790 > com.txt: 1016090 91096 72156 > fix.txt: 36673780 1514892 1110183 > fss.txt: 2756449 101375 80508 > hpf.txt: 7819728 810756 645089 > ils.txt: 1929194 287609 228867 > lid.txt: 23571135 1040744 725685 > mtr.txt: 14525280 930474 707117 > nav.txt: 6753480 618244 490246 > oth.txt: 2632531 333050 226927 > pfr.txt: 11299865 421894 301844 > pja.txt: 462324 49602 40023 > ssd.txt: 1578654 212855 162090 > sua.txt: 7024368 319831 215716 > twr.txt: 13074432 705387 526279 > wxl.txt: 289419 68318 57680 > ---------- ---------- ---------- > Totals 245050334 17140123 13220792 > > Ratios 6.99453 % 5.3951 % > > bzip2 compression stats: > > no compression bzip2 -1 bzip2 -9 > ============== ======== ======== > > aff.txt: 1492194 131997 121245 > apt.txt: 102171238 4647535 3735390 > arb.txt: 905848 24679 23231 > awy.txt: 9074325 578409 497476 > com.txt: 1016090 46222 39982 > fix.txt: 36673780 580053 539569 > fss.txt: 2756449 54133 46939 > hpf.txt: 7819728 373526 284158 > ils.txt: 1929194 190893 172369 > lid.txt: 23571135 430320 361081 > mtr.txt: 14525280 451197 387903 > nav.txt: 6753480 359318 326460 > oth.txt: 2632531 164553 159021 > pfr.txt: 11299865 203243 165497 > pja.txt: 462324 32111 30434 > ssd.txt: 1578654 135968 118388 > sua.txt: 7024368 130183 110767 > twr.txt: 13074432 365681 310752 > wxl.txt: 289419 44735 43638 > ---------- ---------- ---------- > Totals 245050334 8944756 7474300 > > Ratios 3.65017 % 3.05011 % > > > -- > ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel x86, it's the > -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | Ferarri of 32 bit operating systems! > o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info > - > Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ > To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body > of a mail message to . - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 15:23:19 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:22:44 +0100 Received: from terra.geo.uu.nl ([131.211.29.16]:42182 "EHLO terra.geo.uu.nl" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:22:15 +0100 Received: from smtp.umr.edu (mrelay.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.89]) by terra.geo.uu.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/TvZ) with ESMTP id PAA10286 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:18:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu (umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu [131.151.37.121]) via ESMTP by mrelay.cc.umr.edu (8.9.3/R.4.20) id IAA18983; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:18:02 -0600 Received: by umr-mail01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:18:02 -0600 Message-ID: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEEEA@umr-mail02> From: "Neulinger, Nathan R." To: "'linux-aviation@nl.linux.org'" Subject: RE: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:18:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list I may be completely wrong on this, but my understanding is that NO federal government produced data can be copyrighted by the govt in any way. I.e. If the government produced it, you can copy it all you like. Although I don't know this for certain. I believe it is an exception in the copyright act. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: John C. Peterson [mailto:jaypee@netcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 2:06 AM > To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org > Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 08:17:02PM -0500, A. Reichert wrote: > > > > I may be able to help with the FTP availability. (1) What > is the total > > size, > > See below... > > >and (2) can you tell me for certain that there is no copyright > > problems? > > > > - Alan > > > > Will check on this... > > I tried compressing the "raw" NASD fixed length record data files. > The original files are indeed pretty BIG (total > 245 MB). The good > news is that I found out they will compress much better than > I had first > guessed. They compress to as little as roughly 3% of the original size > (using bzip2 compression). I calculated a histogram of the "apt.txt" > file and found that 87.3% of the characters are blanks, so > these ratios > are not too surprising in view of that. Using bzip2, all the data is > less than 8 MB! Here's the nitty-gritty: > > > gzip compression stats: > > no compression gzip -1 gzip -9 > ============== ======= ======= > > aff.txt: 1492194 172587 137010 > apt.txt: 102171238 8268917 6638055 > arb.txt: 905848 52475 33527 > awy.txt: 9074325 1140017 821790 > com.txt: 1016090 91096 72156 > fix.txt: 36673780 1514892 1110183 > fss.txt: 2756449 101375 80508 > hpf.txt: 7819728 810756 645089 > ils.txt: 1929194 287609 228867 > lid.txt: 23571135 1040744 725685 > mtr.txt: 14525280 930474 707117 > nav.txt: 6753480 618244 490246 > oth.txt: 2632531 333050 226927 > pfr.txt: 11299865 421894 301844 > pja.txt: 462324 49602 40023 > ssd.txt: 1578654 212855 162090 > sua.txt: 7024368 319831 215716 > twr.txt: 13074432 705387 526279 > wxl.txt: 289419 68318 57680 > ---------- ---------- ---------- > Totals 245050334 17140123 13220792 > > Ratios 6.99453 % 5.3951 % > > bzip2 compression stats: > > no compression bzip2 -1 bzip2 -9 > ============== ======== ======== > > aff.txt: 1492194 131997 121245 > apt.txt: 102171238 4647535 3735390 > arb.txt: 905848 24679 23231 > awy.txt: 9074325 578409 497476 > com.txt: 1016090 46222 39982 > fix.txt: 36673780 580053 539569 > fss.txt: 2756449 54133 46939 > hpf.txt: 7819728 373526 284158 > ils.txt: 1929194 190893 172369 > lid.txt: 23571135 430320 361081 > mtr.txt: 14525280 451197 387903 > nav.txt: 6753480 359318 326460 > oth.txt: 2632531 164553 159021 > pfr.txt: 11299865 203243 165497 > pja.txt: 462324 32111 30434 > ssd.txt: 1578654 135968 118388 > sua.txt: 7024368 130183 110767 > twr.txt: 13074432 365681 310752 > wxl.txt: 289419 44735 43638 > ---------- ---------- ---------- > Totals 245050334 8944756 7474300 > > Ratios 3.65017 % 3.05011 % > > > -- > ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel > x86, it's the > -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | Ferarri of 32 bit > operating systems! > o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 23:36:35 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:36:02 +0100 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com ([199.183.9.117]:28179 "EHLO netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:35:32 +0100 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22869 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:29:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:29:45 -0800 From: "John C. Peterson" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Snapshot of US National Airspace Data CD-ROM Message-ID: <19991216142945.A22846@netcom17.netcom.com> References: <19991215164516.A5446@netcom13.netcom.com> <19991216000615.A16392@netcom3.netcom.com> <14424.50057.615028.909741@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0-current-19991215us In-Reply-To: <14424.50057.615028.909741@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>; from eugene.leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de on Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 02:48:41AM -0800 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Thu Dec 16 14:28:39 PST 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 02:48:41AM -0800, Eugene Leitl wrote: > > Is this what we're talking about? > http://www.faa.gov/nfdcata100/100freq.html Affirmative... -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Installing Micro$oft Windows on a PC is -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | like putting wagon wheels on a Porsche! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Thu Dec 16 23:42:25 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:41:59 +0100 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com ([199.183.9.117]:33811 "EHLO netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:41:27 +0100 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23321 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:38:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:38:04 -0800 From: "John C. Peterson" To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Christmas Wish Lists Message-ID: <19991216143804.A23030@netcom17.netcom.com> References: <19991202141838.A12196@netcom16.netcom.com> <199912022308.PAA25750@shell13.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0-current-19991215us In-Reply-To: <199912022308.PAA25750@shell13.ba.best.com>; from jerryk@best.com on Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:08:51PM -0800 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Thu Dec 16 14:30:41 PST 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:08:51PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: > > > > With the holidays coming up, I thought it might be fun for people to > > post thier Christmas "wish lists". No, I don't mean that new GPS unit or > > whatever, I mean in terms of aviation software for Linux. [...snip...] > > > *** How about a standardized API for doing DUATS-type stuff, e.g., getting > weather reports and filing flight plans? I've seen at least one TCL script > for doing this, but DUATS alas changes their format occasionally - such > scripts are always out of date. Also, there are at least two different > DUATS services. > > Such an API/"driver" could be a nice building block towards creating > industrial-strength flight planning S/W. > I'm interested in this problem as well, and have even already experimented with some possible approaches. Here's a few ramblings that come to mind; Now that DUATS finally has a web interface, the whole problem more or less reduces to one of fetching web pages, and extracting selected information of interest. This problem is one of general interest to a broad spectrum of people (e.g. snatching stock quotes from multiple web pages and writing them to a file). I've found several free software packages for doing these kinds of things. Some do a better job than others when it comes to addressing the "change of format problem" you mentioned. I dont have all my notes handy, but here are a few examples; WebL http://www.research.digital.com/SRC/WebL/ Webpluck http://www.edsgarage.com/projects/webpluck/ NoDose http://www.cs.nwu.edu/~adelberg/nodose/nodose.html I've played some with the aviation weather observations and forecasts that NOAA/NWS provides over the web, and found them to be fairly easy to work with. I've already written some crude shell scripts that I run regularly out of my crontab. They fetch pages with "lynx -dump", and then extract the desired data with "gawk". Writing "robot software" to interface with DUATS will be a bit trickier since cookies are being used to identify who you are. (And no passwd security I might add, Jeez!) Any other Xmas wishes??? Only 9 days until Santa comes :^) Later, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Installing Micro$oft Windows on a PC is -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | like putting wagon wheels on a Porsche! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Fri Dec 17 02:45:18 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:44:48 +0100 Received: from terra.geo.uu.nl ([131.211.29.16]:20444 "EHLO terra.geo.uu.nl" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:44:11 +0100 Received: from mx1.cape.com (mx1.cape.com [204.107.252.28]) by terra.geo.uu.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/TvZ) with ESMTP id CAA27198 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 02:40:36 +0100 (MET) Received: from nhv (tsc-154.cape.com [140.186.55.154]) by mx1.cape.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA09151 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:39:26 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mx1.cape.com: Host tsc-154.cape.com [140.186.55.154] claimed to be nhv From: "Norman Vine" To: Subject: RE: Christmas Wish Lists Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:37:25 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bf482f$53165ae0$9a37ba8c@nhv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF4805.6A497AA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <19991216143804.A23030@netcom17.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF4805.6A497AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John C. Peterson writes: >On Thu, Dec 02, 1999 at 03:08:51PM -0800, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> > >> > With the holidays coming up, I thought it might be fun >for people to >> > post thier Christmas "wish lists". No, I don't mean that >new GPS unit or >> > whatever, I mean in terms of aviation software for Linux. >[...snip...] >> > >> *** How about a standardized API for doing DUATS-type stuff, >e.g., getting >> weather reports and filing flight plans? I've seen at least >one TCL script >> for doing this, but DUATS alas changes their format >occasionally - such >> scripts are always out of date. Also, there are at least >two different >> DUATS services. >> > >I've played some with the aviation weather observations and forecasts >that NOAA/NWS provides over the web, and found them to be fairly easy >to work with. I've already written some crude shell scripts that I >run regularly out of my crontab. They fetch pages with "lynx -dump", >and then extract the desired data with "gawk". Writing "robot >software" to interface with DUATS will be a bit trickier since >cookies are being used to identify who you are. (And no passwd >security I might add, Jeez!) > > Any other Xmas wishes??? Only 9 days until Santa comes :^) > attached find a simple python script that will get weather reports I am sure we could easily interface with DUATS also as python has a simple to use 'cookie' interface. Cheers Norman ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF4805.6A497AA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="get_metar.py" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="get_metar.py" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #! /usr/bin/env python """ get_metar.py -- get verbose metar station report i.e. for Paris-Aeroport Charles De Gaulle, France (LFPG) python get_metar.py LFPG or python get_metar.py -d LFPG to see trace messages of what is happening """ import sys debugging = 0 #### def get_metar(metar_id, callback=sys.stdout.write): from ftplib import FTP ftp = FTP('weather.noaa.gov') ftp.set_debuglevel(debugging) ftp.login() ftp.cwd('/data/observations/metar/decoded') ftp.retrbinary('RETR ' + metar_id + '.TXT', callback) ftp.quit() #### # test program starts here if __name__ == '__main__': while sys.argv[1] == '-d': debugging = debugging+1 del sys.argv[1] get_metar(sys.argv[1]) ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF4805.6A497AA0-- - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Fri Dec 17 03:11:48 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:11:19 +0100 Received: from delta.rollanet.org ([208.18.12.6]:21254 "HELO delta.rollanet.org" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:10:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 14325 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1999 02:07:13 -0000 Received: from static-nneul.rollanet.org (HELO umr.edu) (nneul@192.55.114.233) by mx.rollanet.org with SMTP; 17 Dec 1999 02:07:13 -0000 Message-ID: <38599AC9.A56E2AA1@umr.edu> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:07:05 -0600 From: Nathan Neulinger X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.2-ac3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Christmas Wish Lists References: <000001bf482f$53165ae0$9a37ba8c@nhv> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Norman Vine wrote: > attached find a simple python script that will get > weather reports > > I am sure we could easily interface with DUATS also > as python has a simple to use 'cookie' interface. If you're going to interface with DUATS, you might as well use the telnet interface. It's got built in documented facilities for batch mode use, including download of weather graphics. That's pretty much all that the web version is - just a front end on the telnet/dialup version. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Fri Dec 17 03:12:40 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:12:15 +0100 Received: from linux.intcon.net ([206.230.48.2]:36112 "EHLO linux.intcon.net" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:11:52 +0100 Received: from interconn.net (IDENT:phrostie@41.ict-max.intcon.net [208.34.44.104]) by linux.intcon.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23570 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:08:26 -0600 Message-ID: <3858F1CB.D8D3848F@interconn.net> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:06:04 -0600 From: phrostie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-27mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Subject: Re: Christmas Wish Lists References: <000001bf482f$53165ae0$9a37ba8c@nhv> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F39C225873AE499594F0A634" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@nl.linux.org Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list --------------F39C225873AE499594F0A634 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let's see, a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes) maybe radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays (on linux) angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding landscape. (for my model rockets) and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window PC's hey, i can dream? -- phrostie@interconn.net Oh I've slipped the surly bonds of dos and danced the skies on LINUX silvered wings. http://www.cottagesoft.com/~phrostie/cad-tastrafy --------------F39C225873AE499594F0A634 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let's see,
a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes)
maybe  radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays (on linux)
angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding landscape. (for my model rockets)
  
and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window PC's



hey, i can dream?



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On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Nathan Neulinger wrote:

...

> If you're going to interface with DUATS, you might as well use the
> telnet interface. It's got built in documented facilities for batch mode
> use, including download of weather graphics. That's pretty much all that
> the web version is - just a front end on the telnet/dialup version. 

I'm not familiar with the telnet version of DUATS (yeah, I'm lazy on that
one).  To those in the know, could this be handled with an expect script,
or is it more involved than that?

- Alan

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>On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Nathan Neulinger wrote:
>
>I'm not familiar with the telnet version of DUATS (yeah, I'm lazy on that
>one).  

telnet:duats.gtefsd.com

>To those in the know, could this be handled with an expect script,

That will work.


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Greetings.

Xybernaut Corporation, has announced "the general availability and
initial sales of its Mobile Assistant(R) IV (MA IV(TM)) running the
Linux operating system."

It might be useful in the cockpit.  I haven't tried it. I saw it in
Linux Weekly News.

URLs:
 http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cofxo0bWbtLLuvtaZn
 http://www.xybernaut.com/

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phrostie writes:
> let's see,
> a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes)
> maybe  radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays (on linux)
> angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding
> landscape. (for my model rockets)

Sort of related to this.  I want my R/C plane outfitted with telemtry
equipment so from the ground I can record real time position,
orientation, velocities, accelerations, etc.  Then I want to feed this
into my flight sim project (flight gear) and be able to fly the plane
entirely from the virtual view drawn on the monitor.  It would be fun
to combine this with a live video shot looking forward from the plane,
also transmitted to the ground.  Then it would be fun to do this at
night, or on a really low visibility day.  It would be fun to combine
this with an autopilot and have the airplane fly itself cross country.
I don't want to hear what the FAA would say about this, but it would
be fun anyway. :-)

> and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window
> PC's

Empires rise and fall.  We just have to be patient. :-)

Curt.
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On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 08:07:05PM -0600, Nathan Neulinger wrote:
> 
> If you're going to interface with DUATS, you might as well use the
> telnet interface. It's got built in documented facilities for batch mode
> use, including download of weather graphics. That's pretty much all that
> the web version is - just a front end on the telnet/dialup version. 
> 
> -- Nathan
> 

   Nathan, when you get a chance, could you tell us where the
documentation is for this? Working with a supported interface seems
like the best approach for DUATS. A technical aside on this. The
newer versions of Don Libes' expect package have a new tool (well,
new to me), called "autoexpect". It "watches" a sample interactive
session and builds the expect script for you. Makes a great starting
point vs constructing a script from scratch by hand.

   On the other hand, I would not recommend abandoning the idea of
using web accessible (e.g. http) documents in this tool. DUATS is not
all encompassing in terms of the information that is available out
there.  The most obvious example would be for non-US pilots, to whom
DUATS is meaningless. Small or private airports are another example,
NOAA / NWS might be your only source for observations.  I find the
radar and satellite "loops" at www.intellicast.com to be very
useful.  The local soaring forecast for my area is another example,
it's only accessible over the web (or voice telephone call).  Anyhow,
you get the idea. The tool should provide access to a wide variety of
information.

John

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On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 11:23:00PM -0500, Michael Callaham wrote:
> Greetings.
> 
> Xybernaut Corporation, has announced "the general availability and
> initial sales of its Mobile Assistant(R) IV (MA IV(TM)) running the
> Linux operating system."
> 
> It might be useful in the cockpit.  I haven't tried it. I saw it in
> Linux Weekly News.
> 
> URLs:
>  http://www.newsalert.com/bin/story?StoryId=Cofxo0bWbtLLuvtaZn
>  http://www.xybernaut.com/
> 

   Thanks for the info Michael. The company Linus works for is due
to "draw the curtains" on Jan 19th, 2000. As rumors have suggested
that it's a platform for mobile computing, there might be some very
useful developments there for Linux based aviation applications.
The web page is still blank;

	http://www.transmeta.com/

Later, John

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I like yours(idea) better :-)

my approach would fall way short of your requirements.
i would only have angles across two axi's from a central origin(launch pad)
i lost a really good rocket this past summer in argonia.  I found it last month at a
different launch.
the fields  had been shall we say PLOWED.

for what your thinking you would also need distance.



"Curtis L. Olson" wrote:

> phrostie writes:
> > let's see,
> > a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes)
> > maybe  radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays (on linux)
> > angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding
> > landscape. (for my model rockets)
>
> Sort of related to this.  I want my R/C plane outfitted with telemtry
> equipment so from the ground I can record real time position,
> orientation, velocities, accelerations, etc.  Then I want to feed this
> into my flight sim project (flight gear) and be able to fly the plane
> entirely from the virtual view drawn on the monitor.  It would be fun
> to combine this with a live video shot looking forward from the plane,
> also transmitted to the ground.  Then it would be fun to do this at
> night, or on a really low visibility day.  It would be fun to combine
> this with an autopilot and have the airplane fly itself cross country.
> I don't want to hear what the FAA would say about this, but it would
> be fun anyway. :-)
>
> > and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window
> > PC's
>
> Empires rise and fall.  We just have to be patient. :-)
>
> Curt.
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I like yours(idea) better :-)

my approach would fall way short of your requirements.

i would only have angles across two axi's from a central origin(launch
pad)

i lost a really good rocket this past summer in argonia.  I found
it last month at a different launch.

the fields  had been shall we say PLOWED.

for what your thinking you would also need distance.

 

 

"Curtis L. Olson" wrote:

phrostie writes:

> let's see,

> a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes)

> maybe  radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays
(on linux)

> angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding

> landscape. (for my model rockets)

Sort of related to this.  I want my R/C plane outfitted with telemtry

equipment so from the ground I can record real time position,

orientation, velocities, accelerations, etc.  Then I want to feed
this

into my flight sim project (flight gear) and be able to fly the plane

entirely from the virtual view drawn on the monitor.  It would
be fun

to combine this with a live video shot looking forward from the plane,

also transmitted to the ground.  Then it would be fun to do this
at

night, or on a really low visibility day.  It would be fun to
combine

this with an autopilot and have the airplane fly itself cross country.

I don't want to hear what the FAA would say about this, but it would

be fun anyway. :-)

> and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window

> PC's

Empires rise and fall.  We just have to be patient. :-)

Curt.

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Flight Gear Project

Twin Cities    curt@me.umn.edu                 
curt@flightgear.org

Minnesota      http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt 

http://www.flightgear.org

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John C. Peterson writes:
 
 > The web page is still blank;
 > 
 > 	http://www.transmeta.com/

No, it isn't. Look at the source.

Moreover, the processor details has been leaked elsewhere. Looks
pretty interesting, let's wait for the benchmarks.
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Down in Victoria (An Australian state) there is a plane that does this
already. There is a NOTAM out to this effect. It is currently being used as
a prototype to gather weather information. It is so small, it gets launched
from a 4x4. It has been used in Antarctica also.

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phrostie writes:
> let's see,
> a new gpl cad program (3D solids) (for designing kitplanes)
> maybe  radio tracking set (hardware, software that displays (on linux)
> angle and heading overlaid on a raster image of the surrounding
> landscape. (for my model rockets)

Sort of related to this.  I want my R/C plane outfitted with telemtry
equipment so from the ground I can record real time position,
orientation, velocities, accelerations, etc.  Then I want to feed this
into my flight sim project (flight gear) and be able to fly the plane
entirely from the virtual view drawn on the monitor.  It would be fun
to combine this with a live video shot looking forward from the plane,
also transmitted to the ground.  Then it would be fun to do this at
night, or on a really low visibility day.  It would be fun to combine
this with an autopilot and have the airplane fly itself cross country.
I don't want to hear what the FAA would say about this, but it would
be fun anyway. :-)

> and a hypnotic trance to get my boss to get rid of all the window
> PC's

Empires rise and fall.  We just have to be patient. :-)

Curt.
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telnet duat.gtefsd.com

Enter "6" at the main menu, (service information)

Then look at 1 and 2. #2 has tons of info on 'quick path' including examples
for offline automated briefings. 

-- Nathan

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Computing Services                       Fax: (573) 341-4216


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John C. Peterson [mailto:jaypee@netcom.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 3:37 PM
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> 
> 
> On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 08:07:05PM -0600, Nathan Neulinger wrote:
> > 
> > If you're going to interface with DUATS, you might as well use the
> > telnet interface. It's got built in documented facilities 
> for batch mode
> > use, including download of weather graphics. That's pretty 
> much all that
> > the web version is - just a front end on the telnet/dialup version. 
> > 
> > -- Nathan
> > 
> 
>    Nathan, when you get a chance, could you tell us where the
> documentation is for this? Working with a supported interface seems
> like the best approach for DUATS. A technical aside on this. The
> newer versions of Don Libes' expect package have a new tool (well,
> new to me), called "autoexpect". It "watches" a sample interactive
> session and builds the expect script for you. Makes a great starting
> point vs constructing a script from scratch by hand.
> 
>    On the other hand, I would not recommend abandoning the idea of
> using web accessible (e.g. http) documents in this tool. DUATS is not
> all encompassing in terms of the information that is available out
> there.  The most obvious example would be for non-US pilots, to whom
> DUATS is meaningless. Small or private airports are another example,
> NOAA / NWS might be your only source for observations.  I find the
> radar and satellite "loops" at www.intellicast.com to be very
> useful.  The local soaring forecast for my area is another example,
> it's only accessible over the web (or voice telephone call).  Anyhow,
> you get the idea. The tool should provide access to a wide variety of
> information.
> 
> John
> 
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Greetings All,

   I wanted to take this opportunity to wish everyone and their
families a happy and safe holiday season, and to thank everyone for
participating in the linux-aviation mailing list.  Hopefully the New
Year will bring more synergy and new ideas to our community.

   The list has continued to grow slowly over the last few months,
we now have a total of 86 subscribers from all over the world. Here
is a quick breakdown by subscriber's top level domain;

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Happy Holidays, John
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