From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 9 23:27:44 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:27:14 +0200 Received: from venus.anexis.com ([209.236.18.140]:59130 "EHLO venus.anexis.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:26:51 +0200 Received: (from fred@localhost) by venus.anexis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00634 for linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Frederic Woodbridge Message-Id: <199909092126.RAA00634@venus.anexis.com> Subject: Introduction... To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:26:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dear Fellow Penguin Pilots: Isn't it ironic that a flightless bird is the mascot for our beloved OS :-) ? Anyway, my name is Frederic Woodbridge and I work in Fort Lauderdale, Fl. Perfect flying weather most of the time...that is until those Summer storms teach you to follow "VFR Not Recommended" exhortations religiously! I'm also a systems/network administrator for a small company in FL and while most of my machines are Solaris based, my personal workstation and just about every PC I can get my hands on, runs Linux. I'm a 40-hour student pilot and I'm really interested in high performance flying. I'd like to be able to translate the principles and theories of flight into actual, everyday use. Determining best glide speeds, engine failures on takeoff: can we turn around and under what circumstances, etc., etc. Precise best range and endurance calculations, etc. I will expound on this as time goes on but it will involve setting up a suite of software that will enable pilots to punch in the usual numbers and come up with all the figures for a safe and economical flight. If anyone is interested in helping me out, let's talk about it! :-) Cheers, all. - -- Frederic Woodbridge || "Unix is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental Network Administrator || technical reasons* why it is necessary to Anexis, Inc. || sacrifice a young goat to your Unix boxes now Fort Lauderdale, FL. || and then" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBN9gmFmp8cND9xMXpAQEShAP/RPFwHT/X94//JsiwhuOYUkS02Dcm4ClN Aviso1nXxd491141DQSYGhsxKY83RddHxndwBKBY96R4RRDSEhvPBpRFhThbBnpg 6aWLQcIX/Rt1TUALRzo/bxx0l7ekHw+8YVoH8F0tp+5K3K+FgER4NVbAWSv8qA8R I0hYgC525tk= =skMV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 9 23:33:34 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:33:05 +0200 Received: from dynamic-dc8.cais.com ([207.226.209.8]:16137 "EHLO localhost.localdomain" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:32:40 +0200 Received: from cais.com (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10728 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <37D827AE.1832BF9B@cais.com> Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 17:33:34 -0400 From: root Organization: Solution Set, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Introduction... References: <199909092126.RAA00634@venus.anexis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Frederic Woodbridge wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Dear Fellow Penguin Pilots: > > Isn't it ironic that a flightless bird is the mascot for our beloved OS :-) ? > > Anyway, my name is Frederic Woodbridge and I work in Fort Lauderdale, Fl. > Perfect flying weather most of the time...that is until those Summer > storms teach you to follow "VFR Not Recommended" exhortations religiously! > > I'm also a systems/network administrator for a small company in FL and while > most of my machines are Solaris based, my personal workstation and just > about every PC I can get my hands on, runs Linux. > > I'm a 40-hour student pilot and I'm really interested in high performance > flying. I'd like to be able to translate the principles and theories of flight > into actual, everyday use. Determining best glide speeds, engine failures > on takeoff: can we turn around and under what circumstances, etc., etc. > Precise best range and endurance calculations, etc. > I will expound on this as time goes on but it will involve setting up > a suite of software that will enable pilots to punch in the usual numbers > and come up with all the figures for a safe and economical flight. > > If anyone is interested in helping me out, let's talk about it! :-) > > Cheers, all. > > - -- > Frederic Woodbridge || "Unix is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental > Network Administrator || technical reasons* why it is necessary to > Anexis, Inc. || sacrifice a young goat to your Unix boxes now > Fort Lauderdale, FL. || and then" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > > iQCVAwUBN9gmFmp8cND9xMXpAQEShAP/RPFwHT/X94//JsiwhuOYUkS02Dcm4ClN > Aviso1nXxd491141DQSYGhsxKY83RddHxndwBKBY96R4RRDSEhvPBpRFhThbBnpg > 6aWLQcIX/Rt1TUALRzo/bxx0l7ekHw+8YVoH8F0tp+5K3K+FgER4NVbAWSv8qA8R > I0hYgC525tk= > =skMV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > - > Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ > To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body > of a mail message to . Sounds interesting. Let's hear more. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 9 23:36:10 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:35:44 +0200 Received: from meserv.me.umn.edu ([134.84.196.1]:45834 "EHLO meserv.me.umn.edu" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:35:29 +0200 Received: from kenai.me.umn.edu (root@kenai.me.umn.edu [134.84.18.22]) by meserv.me.umn.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA22916 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from curt@localhost) by kenai.me.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA04919; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:26 -0500 From: "Curtis L. Olson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14296.10269.666467.959485@kenai.me.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:35:25 -0500 (CDT) To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Introduction... In-Reply-To: <199909092126.RAA00634@venus.anexis.com> References: <199909092126.RAA00634@venus.anexis.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Frederic Woodbridge writes: > I'm a 40-hour student pilot and I'm really interested in high > performance flying. I'd like to be able to translate the principles > and theories of flight into actual, everyday use. Determining best > glide speeds, engine failures on takeoff: can we turn around and > under what circumstances, etc., etc. Precise best range and > endurance calculations, etc. I will expound on this as time goes on > but it will involve setting up a suite of software that will enable > pilots to punch in the usual numbers and come up with all the > figures for a safe and economical flight. Frederic, I'm the coordinator of the Flight Gear project (www.flightgear.org) You might be interested in contacting the flight model people who are involved in our project. You can get contact information here: http://www.hal-pc.org/~jsb/flightsim.html I don't know if there are direct solutions for the values you are interested in. (I'm not an aerospace engineer.) But, if you need to simulate an aircraft to arrive at estimates for some of these values you then our project might be useful. Even if there isn't any direct overlap, you might be able to swap ideas and code ... Curt. -- Curtis Olson University of MN, ME Dept. Flight Gear Project Twin Cities curt@me.umn.edu curt@flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 9 23:47:38 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:47:13 +0200 Received: from venus.anexis.com ([209.236.18.140]:5631 "EHLO venus.anexis.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:46:47 +0200 Received: (from fred@localhost) by venus.anexis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08769 for linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:46:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Frederic Woodbridge Message-Id: <199909092146.RAA08769@venus.anexis.com> Subject: Flight Performance Calculation... In-Reply-To: <37D827AE.1832BF9B@cais.com> from root at "Sep 9, 1999 05:33:34 pm" To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:46:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list As per "root"'s request to furnish a little more info.: Well, I've been collecting a whole bunch of data on piloting for maximum performance (including a book by Lewis Bjork by that name, btw) and I aim to put it on a site somewhere. I have and am also collecting performance tips. I've been reading Von Mises' Theory of Flight (ugh, the differential equations are enough to drive Einstein crazy) and tomorrow, I'm receiving the newest book by Dr. John Lowry titled "Performance of Light Aircraft" in which he details his Bootstrap Method of determining flight performance and involves actual flight testing to generate 9 numbers which when plugged into clearly defined equations will give you the aircraft's V speeds (the POH only gives you, as I'm sure you all already know, the V speeds of an aircraft at gross weight) at whatever weight and altitude you happen to be at. I'd like to be able to gather all this information into some sort of database or spreadsheet that will run on Linux-based machines and voila! That voila was a little too easy to say. I'm sure it won't be easy but that's what I'm aiming to do. Any tips, resources on the net, etc. that we all could talk about, or that you could point me to, great! -- Frederic Woodbridge || "Unix is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental Network Administrator || technical reasons* why it is necessary to Anexis, Inc. || sacrifice a young goat to your Unix boxes now Fort Lauderdale, FL. || and then" - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 9 23:56:46 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:56:03 +0200 Received: from venus.anexis.com ([209.236.18.140]:45567 "EHLO venus.anexis.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:55:30 +0200 Received: (from fred@localhost) by venus.anexis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11245 for linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Frederic Woodbridge Message-Id: <199909092155.RAA11245@venus.anexis.com> Subject: Flight Gear... In-Reply-To: <14296.10269.666467.959485@kenai.me.umn.edu> from "Curtis L. Olson" at "Sep 9, 1999 04:35:25 pm" To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Curt, I've taken a look at the website and it sounds like an excellent idea....I'm going to be contacting them. Thanks a lot for the information... -- Frederic Woodbridge || "Unix is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental Network Administrator || technical reasons* why it is necessary to Anexis, Inc. || sacrifice a young goat to your Unix boxes now Fort Lauderdale, FL. || and then" - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Fri Sep 10 16:15:12 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:14:16 +0200 Received: from vector.edaind.com ([209.41.237.2]:37135 "EHLO vector.edaind.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 16:13:46 +0200 Received: by vector.edaind.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:11:00 +0600 Received: by vector.edaind.com from accura (209.41.237.18::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:10:59 +0600 From: "Gregory W. Ratcliff" To: Subject: RE: Flight Performance Calculation... Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:13:43 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <199909092146.RAA08769@venus.anexis.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list This is a great idea, and to this it seems that (at least for me) the cost of the flight between two points is another tough problem. Here in Columbus, Ohio we have two clubs and 20 planes, some are based on tach time, others hobbs time, a serious N x N problem to determine which plane to take based on cost and winds. In general I just get the 210 because it's the most fun . Greg Ratcliff nz8r on the air N1697X in the air -----Original Message----- From: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl [mailto:owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Frederic Woodbridge Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 5:47 PM To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Flight Performance Calculation... As per "root"'s request to furnish a little more info.: Well, I've been collecting a whole bunch of data on piloting for maximum performance (including a book by Lewis Bjork by that name, btw) and I aim to put it on a site somewhere. I have and am also collecting performance tips. I've been reading Von Mises' Theory of Flight (ugh, the differential equations are enough to drive Einstein crazy) and tomorrow, I'm receiving the newest book by Dr. John Lowry titled "Performance of Light Aircraft" in which he details his Bootstrap Method of determining flight performance and involves actual flight testing to generate 9 numbers which when plugged into clearly defined equations will give you the aircraft's V speeds (the POH only gives you, as I'm sure you all already know, the V speeds of an aircraft at gross weight) at whatever weight and altitude you happen to be at. I'd like to be able to gather all this information into some sort of database or spreadsheet that will run on Linux-based machines and voila! That voila was a little too easy to say. I'm sure it won't be easy but that's what I'm aiming to do. Any tips, resources on the net, etc. that we all could talk about, or that you could point me to, great! -- Frederic Woodbridge || "Unix is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental Network Administrator || technical reasons* why it is necessary to Anexis, Inc. || sacrifice a young goat to your Unix boxes now Fort Lauderdale, FL. || and then" - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 13 21:00:54 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:00:16 +0200 Received: from frodo.gezernet.co.il ([192.115.6.11]:7695 "HELO frodo.gezernet.co.il" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:00:01 +0200 Received: (qmail 23524 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 18:59:53 -0000 Received: from butch.gezernet.co.il (192.115.7.241) by frodo.gezernet.co.il with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 18:59:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 4303 invoked from network); 13 Sep 1999 18:59:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Sep 1999 18:59:52 -0000 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990913205952M.amos@gezernet.co.il> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 20:59:52 +0200 From: Amos Shapira X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 20 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Hello, I have just purchased a Lowrance Airmap 100 with IMS CityMap CD and was wandering if anyone is aware of Linux software which can talk to this box in order to: 1. transfer waypoints/routes/traks to/from the PC 2. create maps 3. edit Jepp database So far I only found the gpstrans package which is specific for Garmin. Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 13 21:15:59 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:15:13 +0200 Received: from mrelay.cc.umr.edu ([131.151.1.89]:14096 "EHLO smtp.umr.edu" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:14:59 +0200 Received: from umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu (umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu [131.151.37.121]) via ESMTP by mrelay.cc.umr.edu (8.9.3/R.4.20) id OAA11183; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:51 -0500 Received: by umr-mail01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC62@umr-mail02> From: "Neulinger, Nathan R." To: "'linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 14:14:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Don't know of one... I've got the same GPS, and would be very interested in the package if you do find one. My understanding is, the communications protocol is relatively simple, but I've got tons of other stuff more important at the moment, so have never looked into it. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: Amos Shapira [mailto:amos@gezernet.co.il] > Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 2:00 PM > To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl > Subject: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? > > > Hello, > > I have just purchased a Lowrance Airmap 100 with IMS CityMap CD > and was wandering if anyone is aware of Linux software which can > talk to this box in order to: > > 1. transfer waypoints/routes/traks to/from the PC > 2. create maps > 3. edit Jepp database > > So far I only found the gpstrans package which is specific for Garmin. > > Thanks, > > --Amos > > --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for > | glory, for its people had > been chosen > amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." > | -- Anonymous > - > Archives of linux-aviation: > http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ > To > unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body > of a mail message to . > - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 13 21:24:02 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:23:26 +0200 Received: from vector.edaind.com ([209.41.237.2]:55821 "EHLO vector.edaind.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 21:22:55 +0200 Received: by vector.edaind.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:19:54 +0600 Received: by vector.edaind.com from accura (209.41.237.18::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Mon, 13 Sep 1999 15:19:53 +0600 From: "Gregory W. Ratcliff" To: Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:23:40 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <19990913205952M.amos@gezernet.co.il> Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list There _used_to_be_ a whole bunch of users doing moving map stuff on sailboats, with source code and everything to do the standard NMEA protocol...what most of the gps boxes output, it's trivial, one way, ascii based. You shouldn't have to do much work though. Heck I bet perl or tcl could take it apart and the use tk to make a nice display under it....hmmm. Here's some java stuff http://www.stacken.kth.se/~bjorkman/ChartPlotter/ChartPlotter.html GregR -----Original Message----- From: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl [mailto:owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl]On Behalf Of Amos Shapira Sent: Monday, September 13, 1999 3:00 PM To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? Hello, I have just purchased a Lowrance Airmap 100 with IMS CityMap CD and was wandering if anyone is aware of Linux software which can talk to this box in order to: 1. transfer waypoints/routes/traks to/from the PC 2. create maps 3. edit Jepp database So far I only found the gpstrans package which is specific for Garmin. Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Tue Sep 14 20:05:45 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:05:21 +0200 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com ([199.183.9.108]:25350 "EHLO netcom8.netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:04:57 +0200 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id LAA24989 for linux-aviation@mail.nl.linux.org; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 11:04:30 -0700 From: John Peterson To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Pilot Logbook for Grok 0.5, now available for download Message-ID: <19990914110430.A24806@netcom8.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Tue Sep 14 11:02:21 PDT 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Greetings, As a result of a couple of threads on this list, I have designed a pilot logbook database "template" for use with the xmbase-grok database utility. There are some screen shots and tarballs for download at; http://metalab.unc.edu/fplan/logbook/ Let me point out that this release only includes the template for glider pilots. I'm working on the template for power pilots, but just haven't had much time for "hacking" over the summer. Plenty of real flying, some good air shows, and a 3 week vacation to Europe where just a few of the things that preempted my software development projects. Anyhow, with long summer days slipping away, I decided to bundle up what I have so far and make it available for people to try out. Comments are welcome. Best Regards, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel x86, because -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | a PC is a terrible thing to waste! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Tue Sep 14 22:58:44 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:58:08 +0200 Received: from mrelay.cc.umr.edu ([131.151.1.89]:64013 "EHLO smtp.umr.edu" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:57:50 +0200 Received: from umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu (umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu [131.151.37.121]) via ESMTP by mrelay.cc.umr.edu (8.9.3/R.4.20) id PAA31816; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:57:40 -0500 Received: by umr-mail01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:57:46 -0500 Message-ID: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC6E@umr-mail02> From: "Neulinger, Nathan R." To: "'linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: Pilot Logbook for Grok 0.5, now available for download Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list If anyone is interested, I was thinking about working on a XML DTD for aviation logbook data to make a standardized format for it, making it easy to exchange data between different log book packages/viewers/etc. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: John Peterson [mailto:jaypee@netcom.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:05 PM > To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl > Subject: Pilot Logbook for Grok 0.5, now available for download > > > > Greetings, > > As a result of a couple of threads on this list, I have designed a > pilot logbook database "template" for use with the > xmbase-grok database > utility. There are some screen shots and tarballs for download at; > > http://metalab.unc.edu/fplan/logbook/ > > Let me point out that this release only includes the template for > glider pilots. I'm working on the template for power pilots, but just > haven't had much time for "hacking" over the summer. Plenty of real > flying, some good air shows, and a 3 week vacation to Europe > where just > a few of the things that preempted my software development projects. > Anyhow, with long summer days slipping away, I decided to bundle up > what I have so far and make it available for people to try out. > Comments are welcome. > > Best Regards, John > > -- > ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel > x86, because > -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | a PC is a terrible > thing to waste! > o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See > http://www.linux.org/ for info > - > Archives of linux-aviation: > http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ > To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" > in the body > of a mail message to . > - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Tue Sep 14 23:53:15 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:52:50 +0200 Received: from frodo.gezernet.co.il ([192.115.6.11]:20070 "HELO frodo.gezernet.co.il" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:52:24 +0200 Received: (qmail 18535 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 21:52:06 -0000 Received: from butch.gezernet.co.il (192.115.7.241) by frodo.gezernet.co.il with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 21:52:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 4631 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 21:52:05 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 21:52:05 -0000 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 03:23:40 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:52:05 +0200 From: Amos Shapira X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 33 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list From: "Gregory W. Ratcliff" > There _used_to_be_ a whole bunch of users > doing moving map stuff on sailboats, with source > code and everything to do the standard NMEA > protocol...what most of the gps boxes output, Thanks, but I was looking more at the other way around - i.e. create a land map on a PC (under Linux, using scanned maps if possible) and be able to UPLOAD it into the GPS, because that's the most I can take with me for a flight or a drive or a hike. > Here's some java stuff > > http://www.stacken.kth.se/~bjorkman/ChartPlotter/ChartPlotter.html Thanks, will look into this. Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it doesn't describe a way to upload maps. Maybe I'll run the IMS under DOSEMU/Wine/VMware and sniff the serial line (maybe the only positive point about having this program use DOS interfaces :-) Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Tue Sep 14 23:56:35 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:56:09 +0200 Received: from frodo.gezernet.co.il ([192.115.6.11]:13160 "HELO frodo.gezernet.co.il" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:55:43 +0200 Received: (qmail 18655 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 21:55:37 -0000 Received: from butch.gezernet.co.il (192.115.7.241) by frodo.gezernet.co.il with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 21:55:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 4678 invoked from network); 14 Sep 1999 21:55:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Sep 1999 21:55:35 -0000 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: RE: Pilot Logbook for Grok 0.5, now available for download In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:57:41 -0500" <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC6E@umr-mail02> References: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC6E@umr-mail02> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990914235535G.amos@gezernet.co.il> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:55:35 +0200 From: Amos Shapira X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 17 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list From: "Neulinger, Nathan R." > If anyone is interested, I was thinking about working on a XML DTD for > aviation logbook data to make a standardized format for it, making it easy > to exchange data between different log book packages/viewers/etc. I'd be interested in such a project. Though I can't promise on the amount of XML knowledge (very scatchy) or time I can contribute to this. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Wed Sep 15 04:28:22 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:27:56 +0200 Received: from [204.120.151.12] ([204.120.151.12]:18192 "EHLO wiley.infoplane.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:27:26 +0200 Received: from pinky.infoplane.com [204.120.151.23] (curt) by wiley.infoplane.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11R4n0-0001mg-00; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:27:18 -0500 Received: (from curt@localhost) by pinky.infoplane.com (8.9.3/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) id VAA01484; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:27:10 -0500 From: "Curtis L. Olson" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14303.1022.306909.859086@pinky.infoplane.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 21:27:10 -0500 (CDT) To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il> References: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il> X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 19.34.1 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Amos Shapira writes: > Thanks, but I was looking more at the other way around - i.e. create > a land map on a PC (under Linux, using scanned maps if possible) and > be able to UPLOAD it into the GPS, because that's the most I can > take with me for a flight or a drive or a hike. This may be a bit far fetched, and I have no idea what sort of image format or map scale you need for your GPS, but here goes ... One of the people involved with flight gear has done some interesting work with generating maps from the flight gear scenery. He's written a perl script that parses the flight gear scenery format, and then uses GD (I think) to create the output images. The results look very nice, but the whole process is very slow. Here are some example images: http://heron.itep.ru/~anovikov/fgfs/ This probably isn't the scale you are interested in for hiking :-) but the flight gear scenery has fairly accurate terrain (3 arc-sec dem based) for the USA ... The perl script could probably be modified pretty easily to include other types of data you might have on hand that you'd be interested in representing in your map. > Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial > protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it > doesn't describe a way to upload maps. > > Maybe I'll run the IMS under DOSEMU/Wine/VMware and sniff the serial > line (maybe the only positive point about having this program use DOS > interfaces :-) I've done some really basic work in generating NMEA gps output. It probably wouldn't be too hard to flip this around and write a parser for the basic NMEA strings. My application was to have my flight sim fake NMEA gps output for the current "virtual" position, and then hook this into some real commercial moving-map type software. Actually worked amazingly well. This probably doesn't help in figuring out how to upload an image to your gps, but it is my only gps communication experience so I thought I'd mention it. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson University of MN, ME Dept. Flight Gear Project Twin Cities curt@me.umn.edu curt@flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 16 00:12:23 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:12:03 +0200 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com ([199.183.9.112]:18704 "EHLO netcom12.netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:11:32 +0200 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA27660 for linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:11:28 -0700 From: John Peterson To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Pilot Logbook for Grok 0.5, now available for download Message-ID: <19990915151128.A26541@netcom12.netcom.com> References: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC6E@umr-mail02> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC6E@umr-mail02>; from Neulinger, Nathan R. on Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 03:57:41PM -0500 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Wed Sep 15 14:56:13 PDT 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 03:57:41PM -0500, Neulinger, Nathan R. wrote: > If anyone is interested, I was thinking about working on a XML DTD for > aviation logbook data to make a standardized format for it, making it easy > to exchange data between different log book packages/viewers/etc. > Nathan, Sounds like a good idea. Handling the various package specific data files will be a little tedious, but not a show stopper. The only part that might be tricky is coming up with data fields that are a superset of those used by all the packages of interest. Maybe, maybe not a big deal? Regards, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, | "Once you have flown, -(*)- | you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there o/ \o | you have been, there you long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 16 00:32:29 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:32:03 +0200 Received: from netcom12.netcom.com ([199.183.9.112]:41489 "EHLO netcom12.netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:31:32 +0200 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom12.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id PAA29296 for linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:31:29 -0700 From: John Peterson To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? Message-ID: <19990915153129.B26541@netcom12.netcom.com> References: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il>; from Amos Shapira on Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:52:05PM +0200 Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Wed Sep 15 14:56:13 PDT 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Tue, Sep 14, 1999 at 11:52:05PM +0200, Amos Shapira wrote: > From: "Gregory W. Ratcliff" > > There _used_to_be_ a whole bunch of users > > doing moving map stuff on sailboats, with source > > code and everything to do the standard NMEA > > protocol...what most of the gps boxes output, > > Thanks, but I was looking more at the other way around - i.e. create a > land map on a PC (under Linux, using scanned maps if possible) and be > able to UPLOAD it into the GPS, because that's the most I can take > with me for a flight or a drive or a hike. > I'm not real familiar with the Lowrance units, but I was under the impression that most GPS units use "vector style" map data. Namely a database of points (airports, navaids, polygon vertices for airspace boundaries, roads, rivers) and associated lat/lon values. Note that you need to have this data around somewhere for the unit to be able to calculate distance to waypoints, etc. I beleive the map you see is rendered on the fly from the vector data by the unit itself. If so, raster maps like you get when you scan from a paper chart would be useless. > Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial > protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it > doesn't describe a way to upload maps. > Neat. Sounds like Lowrance has a customer friendly idea of "fair use", unlike most hardware manufacturers who have seemed to have adopted the Microsoft model instead. Look for a description of how to update the database, that might shed some light on the question / answer. Regards, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, | "Once you have flown, -(*)- | you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there o/ \o | you have been, there you long to return." -- Leonardo da Vinci. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Thu Sep 16 22:39:04 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:38:28 +0200 Received: from vector.edaind.com ([209.41.237.2]:782 "EHLO vector.edaind.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:38:02 +0200 Received: by vector.edaind.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:34:54 +0600 Received: by vector.edaind.com from accura (209.41.237.18::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:34:54 +0600 From: "Gregory W. Ratcliff" To: Subject: Moving map software Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 16:46:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <19990913205952M.amos@gezernet.co.il> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Check this out at freshmeat http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/09/09/936890963.html The QtGPS package contains a piece of software for Unix/Linux/X and a GPS receiver. It performs logging and replaying of a journey, supporting a moving-map display. QtGPS works with Lat/Long and British OSGB (Ornance Survey) co-ordinate systems. Changes: First release for public use. **************** Greg Ratcliff NZ8R on the air Centurion N1697X in the air - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Fri Sep 17 08:02:39 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:02:20 +0200 Received: from keith.lloyd.com ([158.222.1.2]:23183 "EHLO keith.lloyd.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:01:45 +0200 Received: from murray (root@keith.lloyd.com [158.222.1.2]) by keith.lloyd.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA16909 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990916223519.00953100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: brian@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:35:19 -0700 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl From: Brian Lloyd Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: <19990914235205R.amos@gezernet.co.il> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list At 11:52 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote: >Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial >protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it >doesn't describe a way to upload maps. Lowrance keeps the map data in PROM modules. I don't think they have a way to store maps in RAM. Brian Lloyd Lucent Technologies brian@lloyd.com 3461 Robin Lane, Suite 1 http://www.livingston.com Cameron Park, CA 95682 +1.530.676.6513 - voice +1.530.676.3442 - fax - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Fri Sep 17 15:10:34 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:09:59 +0200 Received: from mrelay.cc.umr.edu ([131.151.1.89]:10 "EHLO smtp.umr.edu" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:09:44 +0200 Received: from umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu (umr-mail01.cc.umr.edu [131.151.37.121]) via ESMTP by mrelay.cc.umr.edu (8.9.3/R.4.20) id IAA15270; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:09:34 -0500 Received: by umr-mail01 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:09:41 -0500 Message-ID: <9DA8D24B915BD1118911006094516EAF029EEC87@umr-mail02> From: "Neulinger, Nathan R." To: "'linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl'" Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:09:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Yeah they do... You can upload your own from a map CD without any trouble at all, but as to the format/protocol, that's the part the isn't known. In fact, everything about the 100 is completely flash upgradable. -- Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Nathan Neulinger EMail: nneul@umr.edu University of Missouri - Rolla Phone: (573) 341-4841 Computing Services Fax: (573) 341-4216 > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian@lloyd.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 12:35 AM > To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl > Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? > > > At 11:52 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote: > >Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial > >protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it > >doesn't describe a way to upload maps. > > Lowrance keeps the map data in PROM modules. I don't think > they have a way > to store maps in RAM. > > > Brian Lloyd Lucent Technologies > brian@lloyd.com 3461 Robin > Lane, Suite 1 > http://www.livingston.com Cameron Park, CA 95682 > +1.530.676.6513 - voice +1.530.676.3442 - fax > > - > Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sat Sep 18 20:13:02 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:12:26 +0200 Received: from frodo.gezernet.co.il ([192.115.6.11]:33302 "HELO frodo.gezernet.co.il" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:11:51 +0200 Received: (qmail 1570 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 18:11:42 -0000 Received: from butch.gezernet.co.il (192.115.7.241) by frodo.gezernet.co.il with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 18:11:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 6672 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 18:11:40 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 18:11:40 -0000 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:35:19 -0700" <3.0.6.32.19990916223519.00953100@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.6.32.19990916223519.00953100@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990918201140B.amos@gezernet.co.il> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:11:40 +0200 From: Amos Shapira X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 23 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list From: Brian Lloyd > At 11:52 PM 9/14/99 +0200, you wrote: > >Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial > >protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it > >doesn't describe a way to upload maps. > > Lowrance keeps the map data in PROM modules. I don't think they have a way > to store maps in RAM. Brian, I suspect you are reffering to their older models (which I heard off only through some papers on AVWeb). My model can load maps through a serial port from my PC. Thanks, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Sat Sep 18 20:17:47 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:17:16 +0200 Received: from frodo.gezernet.co.il ([192.115.6.11]:12312 "HELO frodo.gezernet.co.il" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with SMTP id ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:16:44 +0200 Received: (qmail 1728 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 18:16:39 -0000 Received: from butch.gezernet.co.il (192.115.7.241) by frodo.gezernet.co.il with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 18:16:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 6690 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 18:16:38 -0000 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 18:16:38 -0000 To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Re: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:31:29 -0700" <19990915153129.B26541@netcom12.netcom.com> References: <19990915153129.B26541@netcom12.netcom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.93 on XEmacs 20.4 (Emerald) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990918201638V.amos@gezernet.co.il> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:16:38 +0200 From: Amos Shapira X-Dispatcher: imput version 980905(IM100) Lines: 46 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list From: John Peterson > I'm not real familiar with the Lowrance units, but I was under the > impression that most GPS units use "vector style" map data. Namely a > database of points (airports, navaids, polygon vertices for airspace > boundaries, roads, rivers) and associated lat/lon values. Note that > you need to have this data around somewhere for the unit to be able to > calculate distance to waypoints, etc. I beleive the map you see is > rendered on the fly from the vector data by the unit itself. If so, > raster maps like you get when you scan from a paper chart would be > useless. John, I wouldn't try to upload megabytes of scanned maps into this tiny unit :-). What I would like to do is to be able to have a scanned map on my PC's screen and "digitize" it by marking waypoints and writing them into a file in an approperiate format. As it is now, I can use the IMS software to do that, but I'd have to somehow manually calculate the coordinates of each point I want to insert from a hard-copy map and point/click it into the IMS software. If I could load a scanned map as a background and simply click on the image then it would be much more practical to get the data. > > > Also, it looks like Lowrance are open enough to document their serial > > protocol (LSI-100, IIRC), but as far as I skimmed through it it > > doesn't describe a way to upload maps. > > > > Neat. Sounds like Lowrance has a customer friendly idea of "fair use", > unlike most hardware manufacturers who have seemed to have adopted the > Microsoft model instead. Look for a description of how to update the > database, that might shed some light on the question / answer. Thanks, I'll try to look it up. Cheers, --Amos --Amos Shapira | "Of course Australia was marked for | glory, for its people had been chosen amos@gezernet.co.il | by the finest judges in England." | -- Anonymous - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 20 03:35:45 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:35:05 +0200 Received: from keith.lloyd.com ([158.222.1.2]:6559 "EHLO keith.lloyd.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 03:34:29 +0200 Received: from keith.lloyd.com (brian@keith.lloyd.com [158.222.1.2]) by keith.lloyd.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA27923 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 18:33:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Lloyd To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: RE: Linux connection with Lowrance Airmap 100? In-Reply-To: <19990918201140B.amos@gezernet.co.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Amos Shapira wrote: > From: Brian Lloyd > > > > Lowrance keeps the map data in PROM modules. I don't think they have a way > > to store maps in RAM. > > Brian, > > I suspect you are reffering to their older models (which I heard off > only through some papers on AVWeb). My model can load maps through a > serial port from my PC. I was thinking about the AirMap 300 which came out about a year or so ago. I know you can load routes but I wasn't aware of a way to load actual map features. It would be intersting if one could. Brian Lloyd brian@lloyd.com +1.530.676.6513 - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 20 10:59:52 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:59:22 +0200 Received: from sergey.lnk.telstra.net ([139.130.66.99]:16900 "EHLO sergey.lnk.telstra.net" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:58:50 +0200 Received: from systech (systech [192.168.1.244]) by sergey.lnk.telstra.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA03225 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:58:41 +1000 From: "Serge Burjak" To: Subject: Linux connection with Magellan Skystar? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:58:53 +1000 Message-ID: <001301bf0346$5ddfb800$f401a8c0@systech> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list I am looking for any ideas on communicating with a Magellan Skystar. It would be good to upload/download waypoints. It appears to have standard NMEA type sentences for output, but no definitions for input. Thanks in advance. - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to . From owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Mon Sep 27 09:09:25 1999 Received: by humbolt.nl.linux.org id ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:08:50 +0200 Received: from netcom11.netcom.com ([199.183.9.111]:34574 "EHLO netcom11.netcom.com" smtp-auth: ) by humbolt.nl.linux.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:08:25 +0200 Received: (from jaypee@localhost) by netcom11.netcom.com (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5/(NETCOM v1.02)) id AAA22145 for linux-aviation@nl.linux.org; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:08:10 -0700 From: John Peterson To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Subject: Aviation HOWTO for Linux has been updated Message-ID: <19990927000810.A22092@netcom11.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Organization: Blue Blazer Regulars X-Operating-System: SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m X-Created-Offline: Mon Sep 27 00:06:08 PDT 1999 Sender: owner-linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Precedence: bulk Reply-To: linux-aviation@humbolt.geo.uu.nl Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;linux-aviation-list Greetings Aviators! I've just updated the Aviation HOWTO for Linux users. There are several new entries for applications I have discovered since the last release. I have also reorganized the application categories and added some links to more general (non-Linux specific) information resources. I had originally envisioned this document to be distributed from the LDP HOWTO archives on METALab. For whatever reason, it's been almost 8 months, and I have yet to get any response from the HOWTO archive maintainers. So, I have given up on that idea and created my own "home" for it at; http://metalab.unc.edu/fplan/Aviation-HOWTO/ Please let me know of any applications that are not listed, so I can add an entry for it. Also, if you have an idea for a software project, I would be more than happy to add entries for project proposals (for the purposes of pulling together a group of interested developers). Have fun, and fly safe! Best Regards, John -- ___|___ | John C. Peterson, KD6EKQ | Try Linux for Intel x86, because -(*)- | mailto:jaypee@netcom.com | a PC is a terrible thing to waste! o/ \o | San Diego, CA U.S.A | See http://www.linux.org/ for info - Archives of linux-aviation: http://mail.nl.linux.org/lists/linux-aviation/ To unsubscribe: send the command "unsubscribe linux-aviation" in the body of a mail message to .