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Hi,

I just joined this mailing list and thought of checking if anyone was alive 
here. There seems to have been no posts during the last year which leads me to 
believe that either the list has died or that everybody is busy auditing.

What I currently am doing is playing around with lclint, or splint as it is now 
known. There were some great difficulties in the beginning with splint barfing 
over many things, but after getting .splintrc right things started to work out 
a bit better. Most remaining problems have to do with gnu extensions and splint 
not being up to par with C99 (or something).

Specifically "asm" should be banned (GCC extension) and "__asm"/"__asm__" used 
instead. Same with "inline" <-> "__inline"/"__inline__".
Splint is not very happy with those and fails miserably with just reporing a 
parse error. Tracing those to the correct macros was quite an adventure for a 
kernel newbie.

Most things were quite easily fixed by using e.g. -Dasm=__asm__ in .splintrc.
Some were not though resulting in ugly 
#ifndef S_SPLINT_S
compiling without splint variant
#else
stupid splint variant
#endif

Now I am at a point where splint runs quite nicely, but there is one little 
problem. Splint is a memory hog! Running it on all the source in the kernel is 
not recommended.

The kernel I play with is 2.5.2, but if I nail down all the splint wrongs 
and "must have" gnu extensions and bug the splint authors to fix them, then 
splint should become a viable option to use for using when auditing and 
developing.

Any thoughts or questions?

Anybody working on similiar things?

/Peter Anttu

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I think the answer is that the list has almost died.

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Quoting tackle@b64198.tod.net (tackle@b64198.tod.net):
> I think the answer is that the list has almost died.
Indeed - i was surprised to see a post :)

Greets,
	Robert

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Quoting tackle@b64198.tod.net:

> I think the answer is that the list has almost died.
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 
That was about my guess. Thought on probing for anyone still on this list. I 
just noticed a mention to other lists that are more successfull in the area 
this list was meant to work on. security-audit was mentioned.
Any pointers to other lists?
Perhaps some that are not so high-volume ones as some are?

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Experimenting with lclint/splint
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:40:50 +0100 (CET)
From: peteran@ludd.luth.se
To: kernel-audit@nl.linux.org

peteran@ludd.luth.se wrote:
> 
> Quoting tackle@b64198.tod.net:
> 
> > I think the answer is that the list has almost died.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> That was about my guess. Thought on probing for anyone still on this list. I
> just noticed a mention to other lists that are more successfull in the area
> this list was meant to work on. security-audit was mentioned.
> Any pointers to other lists?
> Perhaps some that are not so high-volume ones as some are?

Try: security-audit@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk

That is more than just kernel specific, but there have been some very
interesting
posters and threads recently - such as glibc as one example. Alan Cox has
chipped in once or twice AFAIR.

  --James
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The discussion has been dead to say the least, but the list and the people subscribed to it, seem to be alive.

:-)

Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:41:21PM +0100 ritaši Robert van der Meulen:
> 
> Quoting tackle@b64198.tod.net (tackle@b64198.tod.net):
> > I think the answer is that the list has almost died.
> Indeed - i was surprised to see a post :)
> 
> Greets,
> 	Robert
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yep, would join you on that one

Ely Levy
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Robert van der Meulen wrote:

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> Quoting tackle@b64198.tod.net (tackle@b64198.tod.net):
> > I think the answer is that the list has almost died.
> Indeed - i was surprised to see a post :)
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 04:41:21PM +0100, Robert van der Meulen wrote:
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> Indeed - i was surprised to see a post :)
surprisly so many replies not on the matter ;-)
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Em Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 03:56:57PM +0100, peteran@ludd.luth.se escreveu:
> Hi,
 
> I just joined this mailing list and thought of checking if anyone was
> alive here. There seems to have been no posts during the last year which
> leads me to believe that either the list has died or that everybody is
> busy auditing.

Well, <plug>you may want to take a look at http://kerneljanitors.org</plug>

8)
 
> What I currently am doing is playing around with lclint, or splint as it
> is now known. There were some great difficulties in the beginning with
> splint barfing over many things, but after getting .splintrc right things
> started to work out a bit better. Most remaining problems have to do with
> gnu extensions and splint not being up to par with C99 (or something).

Nice. I was going to spend some time cooking up a .splintrc as well, so can
you please send me what you have?
 
> Specifically "asm" should be banned (GCC extension) and "__asm"/"__asm__"
> used instead. Same with "inline" <-> "__inline"/"__inline__".  Splint is
> not very happy with those and fails miserably with just reporing a parse
> error. Tracing those to the correct macros was quite an adventure for a
> kernel newbie.

I plan to convert 'inline' to '__inline__' and friends in the KJP

> Most things were quite easily fixed by using e.g. -Dasm=__asm__ in
> .splintrc.  Some were not though resulting in ugly #ifndef S_SPLINT_S
> compiling without splint variant #else stupid splint variant #endif
> 
> Now I am at a point where splint runs quite nicely, but there is one
> little problem. Splint is a memory hog! Running it on all the source in
> the kernel is not recommended.

hey, thats why I got that 512 DDR ram module 8)
 
- Arnaldo
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