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Did Al Gore Pass The Turing Test?  The Results Are Still
   Coming In...

By Phil T. Rich, Humorix's Interrim Book Cooker & 
   Keeper Of The Golden Checkbook

November 8, 2000

[Editor's Note: When your regular employees are on strike,
this is the kind of crap the scabs and fill-ins produce. We
apologize in advance for this bomb, but we're desperate for
content and I'm too lazy to write something myself.]

SOMEWHERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA -- Computer scientists eagerly
await the outcome of the 2000 Election From Hell(tm), which
will decide once and for all whether the creation known as
Al Gore is truly the world's first artificially intelligent
robot.

"This will be an historic day," explained a staunch Gore
supporter from Pennsylvania. "Well, actually, maybe
tommorrow if the results don't come in yet.  Or maybe next
Thursday. Geez... just how long does it take to count
votes?  If Al Gore  (Advanced Logic Gate Organism & Robot
Entity) were President, he'd invent a new open-source
tabulating machine that could tally votes and output the
results to the Information Superhighway within
microseconds."

Experts in AI consider the US Presidential race the
ultimate form of the Turing Test.  "People simply aren't
going to vote for a candidate that they think isn't human,"
said Dr. N. P. Kompleete of the University Of East St.
Louis. "They might vote for dead people -- well, if they're
from Missouri they might -- but they simply aren't going to
vote for a nominee that's obviously coded in C++."

Actually, our Vast Spy Network(tm) informs us that Al
Gore's brain is actually coded in Perl.  But that's just a
minor detail.

"So if Gore wins," Dr. Kompleete continued, "that means he
was able to fool a plurality of the US voters into thinking
he's human.  That would be quite an achievement."

Nevertheless, approximately 49% of the voters cast their
votes for somebody else, which raises doubts about whether
Al Gore can truly pass the Turing Test.  "A lot of people
had their suspicions during the debates, in which at every
appearance Al Gore seemed to be a difference person.  That,
indeed, was the case -- Al was upgraded between each
debate, reaching Version 3.12b before the final round,"
explained a professor from Texas whose name I can't
remember how to spell.

"It was a tough match, but Bush had the upper hand: nobody
could argue he was a robot.  Computers, after all, don't
use words like 'sublimiminal' and they always know the
correct names and pronounciations of foreign leaders."
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The plot thickens.... I was reading over one of Microsoft's research pages and
they had a guy who worked on elections-Josh Benaloh (Microsoft Research).  You
may want to consider that.  Our Senate election is still to close to call too
but Gore too the presidential election here.

http://www.csl.sri.com/neumann/judiciary.html  This is were I found out about
him... :-)

J~

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Here is some fun stuff...  http://www.microsoft.com/issues/default.asp

"During the current election cycle, one of the largest and most exciting tests
of online voting is taking place at Youth-e-Vote (youthevote.net), a non-profit
civics education project supported by Microsoft, Compaq and election.com. In the
first nationwide experiment of online registration and voting, millions of
students in elementary, middle and secondary schools across the country are
expected to cast their ballots for president, senate and governor. While this
mock election won’t necessarily predict the outcome on November 7, it will
undoubtedly stimulate interest in the electoral process among a new generation
of voters. "

-----------------  from election.com ---------------  Famous last words

http://www.election.com/us/info/index.htm

Our vision is to enable greater voter participation coupled with better-educated
voters to make the world a better place in which to live.
As the preeminent Global Election Company for any private or political entity,
election.com empowers voters with an easier, more secure electoral process and
enables its clients around the world to be more inclusive, trusted and
productive at less cost.

election.com, with its proprietary software and services, lowers costs, enhances
accuracy and accountability, improves security and reduces the use of financial,
human and natural resources.

---------------  I bet they don't believe this in Florida any more ------------

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Descent Into The Lawyerclysm
Jon Splatz, jonsplatz@i-want-a-website.com
November 19, 2000

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the lawyers
aren't out to get you.
   -- Anonymous

The fallout from the US Election From Hell(tm) has provided
the perfect opportunity for the Lawyercrats to seize power
and become the Fourth Branch of the US Government. The
conspiracy has reached fruition; we've reached Stage 0 of
the dreaded Lawyerclysm.

South Florida is ground zero for the greatest calamity to
befall mankind since the first law school opened in Europe
during the 12th Century[1].  Everybody and their brother in
Florida is embroiled in a lawsuit over the election.  The
elderly are suing over the poorly designed ballots
(obviously created by Microsoft user-interface designers). 
The Republicans are suing to end the re-re-re-re-counts. 
And the Democrats have airlifted lawyers into the state to
sue over everything else.

Trust me, I know.  I've been there.  I was in South Florida
on vacation when the election fiasco started to unravel.

The Humorix strike[2], after all, was really just an excuse
to take a vacation. I don't care about better working
conditions, or a heated swimming pool, or unlimited beer
privileges.  The only reason I walked out was to get some
time off.

So there I was, trapped in West Palm Beach, surrounded by
disgruntled voters and -- worst of all -- an army of
lawyers, politicians, and judges all congregated in one
small area.  My kingdom for a small nuclear device!

I never left my hotel room.  I had a recurring nightmare
that I might step outside into the maelstrom, look at a
lawyer wrong, and wind up as the loser in a million-dollar
lawsuit.   I could only look out my window in disbelief as
the Election From Hell unfolded.  I saw lawyers blame other
lawyers for sending in lawyers.  I saw ambulances chased by
crowds of lawyers, who were filing lawsuits against each
other for getting in the way.

It was horrible!  This nation is sinking into the quicksand
of the Paperwork Age, a postmodern world in which judges
issue meta-injuctions against other judges who issue
injuctions against lawyers who file lawsuits every 3.2
minutes. It's an age where lawyers design ballots forms and
then proceed to argue over how to count them.  

The United States has bluescreened.  A fatal exception
error occured on Election Night, and now all of our unsaved
work has been lost.

And it's only going to get worse.  We've only reached Stage
0 of the Lawyerclysm; the next 6 stages are still to come. 
And if you don't live in the United States Of Lawyers,
don't look so smug -- the judge's gavel is about to smack
the rest of the world just as hard.

Here's what will happen next:

* Stage 1. The courts take power.  It all starts when the
Florida Supreme Court singlehandedly decides the outcome of
the Presidential race, but it doesn't stop there.  Soon the
Constitution is reinterpreted to exempt lawyers and judges
from income taxes.  Before long the courts just say "screw
this" and decide to rewrite the entire Constitution, thus
setting the foundations for the world's first Lawyerocracy
-- "A nation, under the appropriate Deity of your choice,
by the lawyers, for the lawyers, with liberty and justice
for all lawyers. Void where prohibited."

* Stage 2. Other nations around the world become
Lawyercratic.   Forget about the "Red Menace", the "Black
Menace" of Lawyerism descends upon the world like a plague
of locusts.  France becomes the first victim when the
courts usurp power and begin to hand down absurd
judgements, such as ruling against doctors for allowing
severely disabled children to be born rather than aborted.
[Actually, this has already happened[3]. -- The Editor]

* Stage 3. Mandatory legal insurance.  Lawsuits multiply at
such a fantastic rate that the average person is involved
in 23 lawsuits each year.  The number of courtrooms and
judges increases by 10,000% annually.  Before long it
becomes impossible to function in society without joining
an LMO (Legal Maintenance Organization) and buying legal
insurance.  The poor are unable to afford insurance, but
that doesn't matter, since nobody would want to sue a poor
person anyways.  Everyone else, however, becomes fair game
-- and the typical American will devote 95% of their income
for insurance premiums and court costs.

The Universal Bar Association (formerly the American Bar
Association) will decree that no person my drive a car,
register to vote, or even obtain employment without proof
of legal insurance.  And only people with law degrees may
hold public office. The so-called "Judicial Divide" between
the upper class (composed solely of lawyers) and the lower
class (everyone else) will widen at an exponential rate.

* Stage 4. Lawyers control every aspect of society. From
buying hot coffee to keeping a pet dog, no part of life
escapes the attention of lawyers. McDonalds customers must
pass a "hot beverage safety course" and sign a waiver
before they are allowed to buy hot coffee[4].  People
wanting to keep a domesticated pet must petition the court
to obtain "custody", and then pay monthly fees to ARMO
(Animal Rights Maintenance Organization), a network of
lawyers that provide legal representation to all pets at
the expense of their owners.

It becomes virtually impossible to go through life without
speaking to (and giving money to) at least one lawyer per
day.  Any dispute must be settled through the courts.  For
instance, it's illegal to complain directly to your
neighbor about their loud music; you must hire a lawyer to
fire off a bark letter to the lawyer representing your
neighbor. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

* Stage 5. Legal violence replaces physical violence. 
Lawyercratic countries will replace their military armies
with legal armies.  The US Department Of Defense becomes 
the Department Of Litigation, an elite army of attorneys
ready to airlift into any foreign nation and bury the
opposition under 100 tons of red tape, court filings, and
meta-injunctions within minutes.  Nuclear weapons are
scrapped and replaced by subpoenas.  Squadrons of soldiers
are replaced by "Dream Teams".  Wars are conducted not on
battlefields, but in courtrooms.  While most forms of
physical violence ceases, the ensuing legal violence is
far, far worse -- a fleet of lawyers can bring poverty and
bankruptcy to billions of innocent civilians within a
matter of hours.

* Stage 6. World economy collapses under the weight of
overlawyering. Every university in the world becomes a law
school, cranking out over 20,000 new law degrees every
day.  Everybody wants to become an attorney; nobody wants
to do anything else.  The world economy hits critical mass,
and implodes under the weight of the "justice" system. 
Civilization collapses.  The only survivors are a small
community of Geeks and non-Lawyers on the island nation of
Humorixia, who wisely decided to make the possession of a
law degree a crime punishable by deportation[5].

The United States may never fully recover from the ongoing
LawyerBinge.  But there's still hope to prevent a Stage 6
Lawyerclysm, but only if we stand tall and prepare for the
largest battle between good and evil the world has ever
witnessed.  The geek paradise of Humorixia is our last
bastion of defense against the Lawyercrats, our last
glimmer of hope against the Lawyerclysm, our last chance of
freedom from the tyranny of injunctions, suits,
counter-suits, and meta-suits!

Geeks of the world, unite under the Humorixian battle flag
and fight to prevent the New World Order of Lawyercrats!
Down with the empire!  Linux and freedom forever! We will
fight them on the beaches!  Humorixia WILL prevail!

Or something like that.

Write me at jonsplatz@i-want-a-website.com.

[1] http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/jan00.shtml#Linux-History1
[2] http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/oct00.shtml#Strike
[3]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1028000/1028648.stm
[4] http://thecaperock.com/aug00/mclawsuit.shtml
[5]
http://i-want-a-website.com/about-linux/dec99.shtml#Humorixia-Founded

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I will be on vacation until Tuesday 11/28/00. Thank you for your email.
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hello,
I like humorix, and it really brightens my day to find an article in my
inbox, yet I never did send you an e-mail. So why have I gotten an automated
response to an e-mail that I never sent?
-Viggo Hansen

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Hi,
	Whoever you are .. just stop this mailing .. I am mailing you
for the 1st time .. and i never mailed you before and don want to mail
you anymore .. just stop this nuisense

~nabanita Mukherjee

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Nabanita Mukherjee:

> Whoever you are .. just stop this mailing .. I am mailing you
> for the 1st time .. and i never mailed you before and don want to mail
> you anymore .. just stop this nuisense

Seems to me like some idiot installs an auto-reply and the fact that he's
on a mailing list doesn't enter his mind.

Alphons (seen it before)

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From: Nabanita Mukherjee [mailto:nabanita@cyberspace.org]
>Hi,
>	Whoever you are .. just stop this mailing .. I am mailing you
>for the 1st time .. and i never mailed you before and don want to mail
>you anymore .. just stop this nuisense
>
>~nabanita Mukherjee
>
>On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, viggo blah wrote:
>> hello,
>> I like humorix, and it really brightens my day to find an 
>article in my
>> inbox, yet I never did send you an e-mail. So why have I 
>gotten an automated
>> response to an e-mail that I never sent?
>> -Viggo Hansen
>> 
>> From: waltd@sv.ddiglobal.com
>>
>>> I will be on vacation until Tuesday 11/28/00. Thank you for 
>>> your email. I will reply to you as soon as possible.


[*intentionally* sent to the mailing list]

/Please/ tell me you're having a joke. You are, right? Someone's mail
software mistakenly OOO replies to a listserv email and you two decide to
discuss it on list as if it's personal email?

It's April 1st isn't it? Someone please tell me it is...

;)

-- 
PJH

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materiari? 

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Hello Paul,

Thursday, November 23, 2000, 12:37:11, you wrote:

PH> [*intentionally* sent to the mailing list]

PH> /Please/ tell me you're having a joke. You are, right? Someone's mail
PH> software mistakenly OOO replies to a listserv email and you two decide to
PH> discuss it on list as if it's personal email?

PH> It's April 1st isn't it? Someone please tell me it is...

//intentionally sent as well
This happens quite often among newbies and lamers. We just need to
unsubscribe the offending user.



[back on topic now]

>AOL used to be a great source for free disks (they were my main
>supplier for years), but for some unknown reason they've switched to
>drink costers.  I have too many costers already, so I've had to
>become more creative.  I fold (yes, fold) the disks very carefuly so
>that they don't break.  I then hang them on my wall in hopes of
>scaring away vampires.  I haven't seen a vampire yet, so I think its
>working.

The compuserve CDs are designed to keep bogeymen away as well. This
means that a sensible Linux user should keep both types hanging near
by. Careful studies have shown that if you put a version of the Win98
EULA on your door Windows users will frequently stop to read it before
knocking. As it is so complex and full of evil lawyer phrases they
will fail to understand it and turn away worried about breaking the
doorknob single user licence. I hope this helps worried Linux users.

--
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I fear all this talk of vampire avoidance may have been a little
premature - upon opening the following email(which somehow had
magically addressed itself to me personally) I felt a shiver shoot
down my spine that could only indicate the presence of evil. 

Shortly afterwards I suffered a catastrophic X Server crash (foolishly
I had been using the occult GNOME/Enlightenment system). After
battling with my system for what seemed like an eternity I was able to
recover a terminal window. I tried killing rogue processes but my
sytem had become overun by daemons. Whats more the letters M and N has
nysteriously stopped working thus preventing me from using the
relevant iNcaNtatioNS or even praying for Mercy. Only the intervention
of a passing guru who was able to perform some kind of resurrection
miracle saved the day.

I had thought that referring to a well known software company as the
Evil Empire was only a joke, but I know better now. I have nailed all
the CDROMS I have to a floor with a stake, I advise you to do the same
if you wish to avoid suffering my fate. (Mind you I'm not sure about
this Red Hat stuff - I mean red  that's the colour of that evil Santa
guy isn't it.)      

Paul M

On Thu, Nov 23, 2000 at 01:39:09PM +0000, Jamie Dainton wrote:
> Hello Paul,
> 
> Thursday, November 23, 2000, 12:37:11, you wrote:
> 
> PH> [*intentionally* sent to the mailing list]
> 
> PH> /Please/ tell me you're having a joke. You are, right? 

NO, this is ALL  true - you have been warned.



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Nabanita Mukherjee wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>         Whoever you are .. just stop this mailing .. I am mailing you
> for the 1st time .. and i never mailed you before and don want to mail
> you anymore .. just stop this nuisense

It's a MAILING LIST, and you just sent THAT note to everyone on the
list.

To unsubscribe, send an email message to majordomo@humbolt.nl.linux.org.

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Nuff said!

------Original Message------
From: Nabanita Mukherjee <nabanita@cyberspace.org>
To: humorix@nl.linux.org
Sent: November 23, 2000 12:21:56 PM GMT
Subject: RE: [humorix] Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski <waltd>


Hi,
Whoever you are .. just stop this mailing .. I am mailing you
for the 1st time .. and i never mailed you before and don want to mail
you anymore .. just stop this nuisense

~nabanita Mukherjee

On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, viggo blah
wrote:

> hello,
> I like humorix, and it really brightens my day to find an article in my
> inbox, yet I never did send you an e-mail. So why have I gotten an
automated
> response to an e-mail that I never sent?
> -Viggo Hansen
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: waltd@sv.ddiglobal.com
> To: humorix@nl.linux.org
> Sent: November 21, 2000 9:58:39 PM GMT
> Subject: [humorix] Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski <waltd>
>
>
> I will be on vacation until Tuesday 11/28/00. Thank you for your email.
> I will reply to you
> as soon as possible.
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Look, I don't know what the hell happened here but it was not my fault, I
simply received as strange automated reply from some one I had never met
before, and replied reasonably, I did not know it was part of a mailing
list!

------Original Message------
From: Jamie Dainton <mail@dainton.org.uk>
To: Paul Herring <humorix@nl.linux.org>
Sent: November 23, 2000 1:39:09 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski
<waltd>)


Hello Paul,

Thursday, November 23, 2000, 12:37:11, you wrote:

PH> [*intentionally* sent to the mailing list]

PH> /Please/ tell me you're having a joke. You are, right? Someone's mail
PH> software mistakenly OOO replies to a listserv email and you two decide
to
PH> discuss it on list as if it's personal email?

PH> It's April 1st isn't it? Someone please tell me it is...

//intentionally sent as well
This happens quite often among newbies and lamers. We just need to
unsubscribe the offending user.



[back on topic now]

>AOL used to be a great source for free disks (they were my main
>supplier for years), but for some unknown reason they've switched to
>drink costers.  I have too many costers already, so I've had to
>become more creative.  I fold (yes, fold) the disks very carefuly so
>that they don't break.  I then hang them on my wall in hopes of
>scaring away vampires.  I haven't seen a vampire yet, so I think its
>working.

The compuserve CDs are designed to keep bogeymen away as well. This
means that a sensible Linux user should keep both types hanging near
by. Careful studies have shown that if you put a version of the Win98
EULA on your door Windows users will frequently stop to read it before
knocking. As it is so complex and full of evil lawyer phrases they
will fail to understand it and turn away worried about breaking the
doorknob single user licence. I hope this helps worried Linux users.

--
Jamie Dainton


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On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, viggo blah wrote:

> Look, I don't know what the hell happened here but it was not my
> fault, I simply received as strange automated reply from some
> one I had never met before, and replied reasonably, I did not
> know it was part of a mailing list!

The [humorix] in the subject and the special mailing
list signature would have been a nice tip-off, just
in case you'd have read the email more carefully ;)

But before we get out of hand, lets declare an
official End Of Thread (EOT) here and stop with
this mess...

> Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski

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regards,

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My fualt, EOT!

------Original Message------
From: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: humorix@nl.linux.org
Sent: November 23, 2000 6:44:52 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, viggo blah wrote:

> Look, I don't know what the hell happened here but it was not my
> fault, I simply received as strange automated reply from some
> one I had never met before, and replied reasonably, I did not
> know it was part of a mailing list!

The [humorix] in the subject and the special mailing
list signature would have been a nice tip-off, just
in case you'd have read the email more carefully ;)

But before we get out of hand, lets declare an
official End Of Thread (EOT) here and stop with
this mess...

> Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt
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viggo blah:

> Look, I don't know what the hell happened here but it was not my fault,

Yes it is.
Some people install an automatic reply when they leave for vacation.
It's idiotic to forget that they're on a mailing list, but it's also
idiotic to bother all list addressees with your not getting it.
Just ignore them.

> I did not know it was part of a mailing list!

[Sent to the mailing list because of the folliwing:]

READ THE FUCKIN' HEADERS!!!

Alphons (now cut the crap, please)

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Corel is giving almost giving away it's Linux.  The only want $4.95 to download
about 500M.  If you are on a fast line it's a thought.

By the way, Gates owns 4 million shares of Red Hat... Think about it!  Just a
bit incestuous.

Does anyone know how to really do a duel boot with Linux.  I've done it with
UNIX and XENIX but can't seem to figure out what MS has done with Win 98.  Now
that is really scary.  Their FDISK suck.  It's set up in such a way to make it
impossible or close to impossible to do a duel boot.  Gee I wonder why this is.
Anyway, I've got an HP Pavilion and its OS sucks even more than the regular Win
98.

-----Original Message-----
From: paul m <paul@2bet.co.uk>
To: humorix@nl.linux.org <humorix@nl.linux.org>
Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt Dobrzynski
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|
|I fear all this talk of vampire avoidance may have been a little
|premature - upon opening the following email(which somehow had
|magically addressed itself to me personally) I felt a shiver shoot
|down my spine that could only indicate the presence of evil.
|
(Mind you I'm not sure about
|this Red Hat stuff - I mean red  that's the colour of that evil Santa
|guy isn't it.)
|
|Paul M
|

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Pegasus,

I hope you don't mind me calling you Pegasus.  ;-)

Anyway I've had a duel boot Win 98 and Linux system for a few years now.
Only recently was a forced into using Windoze exclusively as I lost the hard
drive that Linux was installed on.  So until the hard drive comes back from
the manufacturer, I'll be using my Win 98 install.  Duel boot Linux/Win98 is
simple to set up:
Windoze FDISK should be fine to use to create the partitions.  Format the
one you want to use for Windows as FAT32 and just leave the Linux partition
unformatted (no news I'm sure you didn't already know here).  Then install
Win 98 first _before_ your favorite Linux dist. is installed.  Once Win 98
is installed install Linux to the "Linux" partition and set up LILO (the
LInux LOader) to boot both OS's.  The dist's install of LILO should find the
Windows info and ask you if you'd like to be able to boot the Windows OS as
well.  If not it's easy to set up in the lilo.conf configuration file (try
the HOW-TO on LILO found at: www.linuxdoc.org for more detailed
instructions) .  Installing Win 98 _after_ Linux will overwrite the MBR
(Master Boot Record) and you won't be able to boot the Linux system (in M$'s
infinite "wisdom" they decided no "other" OS would ever reside on the same
machine so they just overwrite the MBR without looking...LILO does not).
Installing Linux after Win98 will take care of that problem, as every Linux
dist. I've ever used/installed (which is most of them) will ask first before
disregarding the other OS.

As for Corel's dist...I haven't used it yet, but I've heard some bad things
about it.  All hearsay at this point, but I'm still up for trying it.  Might
have to d/l the $5.00 version you've suggested here.  Thanks for the info.

As for RH...I'm not a fan of their business practices (though I didn't know
Mr. Gates owned any stock in them).  I cut my teeth on RH Linux 4.2 but I've
since stopped using them, because, like I said, I'm not fond of their
business practices and their ideas of what makes a good dist.

Hope this helps, sorry for the off-topic post...I thought it might help some
people out.
-Jeff


> Corel is giving almost giving away it's Linux.  The only want $4.95 to
download
> about 500M.  If you are on a fast line it's a thought.
>
> By the way, Gates owns 4 million shares of Red Hat... Think about it!
Just a
> bit incestuous.
>
> Does anyone know how to really do a duel boot with Linux.  I've done it
with
> UNIX and XENIX but can't seem to figure out what MS has done with Win 98.
Now
> that is really scary.  Their FDISK suck.  It's set up in such a way to
make it
> impossible or close to impossible to do a duel boot.  Gee I wonder why
this is.
> Anyway, I've got an HP Pavilion and its OS sucks even more than the
regular Win
> 98.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul m <paul@2bet.co.uk>
> To: humorix@nl.linux.org <humorix@nl.linux.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt
Dobrzynski
> <waltd>)
>
>
> |
> |I fear all this talk of vampire avoidance may have been a little
> |premature - upon opening the following email(which somehow had
> |magically addressed itself to me personally) I felt a shiver shoot
> |down my spine that could only indicate the presence of evil.
> |
> (Mind you I'm not sure about
> |this Red Hat stuff - I mean red  that's the colour of that evil Santa
> |guy isn't it.)
> |
> |Paul M
> |
>
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On Nov 23, 2000 at 12:37, Paul Herring wrote:

>It's April 1st isn't it? Someone please tell me it is...

No! It's a consp&*%^*&NO CARRIER

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Take it off the list, folks.  This is a humor list, not a tech discussion
list.  I'm definitely not the moderator, but, Rik mentioned possibly setting
up a second list for discussion of the items that show up on here, and
non-humor related discussion - cause it don't belong here :-)  (Hi Rik -
long time no talk!)  Last time I checked, dual booting Linux and Windows 98
was far from humorous.  Unless, of course, it involved 4 marshmallows, 7.5
inches of 3/4 inch rubber tubing, a small fish, and approximately two pounds
of turkey.

As for those people freaking out - relax.  This is a humor mailing list -
have a sense of humor ;-)  Seriously - no one is mailing YOU directly.
Instead, they are sending email to a mailing list to which you have
subscribed at one time or another (Humorix, computer and Linux related
humor, IIRC)  If you see a message that you THINK is directed at you,
relax - check where it's from.  If it's from humorix@nl.linux.org or some
variant, resist the temptation to respond - there is no need (UNLESS you
happen to have a humorous response.  However, in this case, simply
mentioning 4 marshmallows, 7.5 inches of 3/4 inch rubber tubing, a small
fish, and approximately two pounds of turkey does not make it a humorous
response.  You've been warned - no one ever finds those jokes funny in the
first place.  And I believe they are now illegal in 5 US states, and 12
countries worldwide.)

If you are REALLY stuck or angry over this - email me at
midryder@midnightryder.com and ask me how to unsubscribe from this list.  I
DO NOT OWN THIS LIST, I'm just trying to help out those who are confused!
:-)  (Of course, it doesn't hurt that my company name gets mentioned, or
that I can mention that I write fun games you can download and try out, and
I even get the chance to pimp one of the Open Source (TM) projects that I
deal with, Alliance (http://www.allos.org.  And honestly, how often do you
get to mention 4 marshmallows, 7.5 inches of 3/4 inch rubber tubing, a small
fish, and approximately two pounds of turkey in an email?)

Davis Ray Sickmon, Jr
Author, Boulder Panic!, Boulder Panic! 2
President, MidnightRyder.Com
http://www.midnightryder.com
<--! include advertisement for my game company here ;-) -->
(The mention of 4 marshmallows, 7.5 inches of 3/4 inch rubber tubing, a
small fish, and approximately two pounds of turkey in this email is a
trademark of MidnightRyder.Com, all rights reserved.  Support the
Lawyerclysm - mention the 4 marshmallows, 7.5 inches of 3/4 inch rubber
tubing, a small fish, and approximately two pounds of turkey in any other
email, or even quite this email, so I can sick my lawyers on you - it's SO
much more profitable than actually doing WORK!  Don't listen to that Open
Source wienie James Baughn - embrace the coming Lawyerclysm, extend your
legal reach, and crush your friends and enemies under your legal might!
But, keep your day job...)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Buckey" <jbuckey@earthlink.net>
To: <humorix@nl.linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:58 PM
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> Pegasus,
>
> I hope you don't mind me calling you Pegasus.  ;-)
>


<KERSNIP - information on loading Linux and Win98 on the same machine.
Really.  Do something better, and just using NT or Linux, an a copy of
VMWare or the free software equivalent.  It's much cooler, and requires less
talent even :-)

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Jeff:
Thanks for the info.  I'm not a Linux user so was unsure about it's loader.  Do
you use FDISK to change between OS or does the LILO come up when you turn on
your computer and ask which OS to use? The other thing I'm interested in is hard
drive size.  In Win 95 you could only go 2G.  I have one 8G that has Win 98 on
it and I just installed a 20G.  What I want to do is use the 20G that is in 4G
logical drives for Win and then put Linux on the 8G drive. I've been Windozed
for about 5 years now and it's eating away at my brain.... There are more
backdoors in that OS than I like to consider.  So I really want a way to get on
the Internet without them... What do you think is the best place to get Linux?
Were do you get some Linux help? I've looked on the Web and it's a nightmare of
contradictions. I'm interested in perhaps writing some programs for Linux.  It
will depend on the tools for it.

Thanks again.

P~

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You don't think that Bill Gates owning 4 million shares of Red Hat is humorix? I
was laughing so hard when the security exchange bulletin hit the media I thought
I would chock. Being a greedy boy, Gates obviously is hedging his bets.  But
what is more telling is that it shows a total lack of confidence in Microsoft.
Not too surprising since Paul Allen has recently resigned the Board along with
three other Board Members.  The local gossip about what is really going on is
like slap steck--employees talking about Unions, MS now trying to recruit their
temps, and executives fleeing.  It's a REEL Flea circus.

The GATES Bug-OUT as in MASH:

To flee or not to flee, that is the question
Like tinny bugs on the back of a Wild Boar
Who's roll in the mud of his own piss and shit
They are all hopping this way and that
Off dam bug, off off I say
This is a Real Flea Circus;

Will it ever end? OR are we destine to live with this Microsoft FLEA Market for
ever! Their RAID has NEVER WORK!  Perhaps ours can...

It's kind of cool.  These MS techies have been the idiot bunch locally for so
long.  The use to go out proudly wearing their MS T-shirts and pretty much
slimming on everyone.  NOW you can't seem to find any.  It's like they creep
around as obscure as possible. Weird.  So much for the culture at MS. Gates has
already defamed the .NET project in the media, calling it an elephant that
everyone in the company is seeing differently. :-) Enough said...


-----Original Message-----
From: Davis Ray Sickmon, Jr <midryder@intcon.net>
To: humorix@nl.linux.org <humorix@nl.linux.org>
Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 10:33 PM
Subject: [humorix] Take the discussion off the list [WAS: Duel Boot in Linux
[was: Ineptitude ... ]]


|Take it off the list, folks.  This is a humor list, not a tech discussion
|list.

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Perhaps someone is so wrapped up in their so called 3l337 abilities that
their are blind to the very reasonable novice questions in this post.
Thinking that rather than a legitimate series of questions this post that
it is somehow funny...I could be wrong, but the "Ineptitude" in the
subject implies to me that perhaps this is the case.

Here is a little tip, if not all that funny, no matter how smart you think
you are, there is always someone smarter...

Hmm humour, I guess we need humour....hmmm

I will let you know if I think of any...

...

On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Pegasus wrote:

> 
> Jeff:
> Thanks for the info.  I'm not a Linux user so was unsure about it's loader.  Do
> you use FDISK to change between OS or does the LILO come up when you turn on
> your computer and ask which OS to use? The other thing I'm interested in is hard
> drive size.  In Win 95 you could only go 2G.  I have one 8G that has Win 98 on
> it and I just installed a 20G.  What I want to do is use the 20G that is in 4G
> logical drives for Win and then put Linux on the 8G drive. I've been Windozed
> for about 5 years now and it's eating away at my brain.... There are more
> backdoors in that OS than I like to consider.  So I really want a way to get on
> the Internet without them... What do you think is the best place to get Linux?
> Were do you get some Linux help? I've looked on the Web and it's a nightmare of
> contradictions. I'm interested in perhaps writing some programs for Linux.  It
> will depend on the tools for it.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> P~
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>>>>> "t" == twm139  <twm139@its.to> writes:

    t> Hmm humour, I guess we need humour....hmmm
    t> I will let you know if I think of any...

Oh please stop this!!!

Is it possible to subscribe to James's posts only?.. If not, I can
always read his articles on the web...

Viktor
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If this crap does not immediately stop, I am going to
complain to the abusers' network providers.  I am not
new to doing this, since I am an avid spam tracker
(terminator).  I kill peoples' Internet accounts on
almost a daily basis.  The is the last warning you folks
are going to get.  The decent folks on this list will
gladly testify to your abusive behavior if any evidence
is required for your provider to take action against you.

Be warned that if action is necessary, and if you live
in a small town, you could lose all access to the
Internet on a very long term basis.

Be nice, behave, and quit posting this crap to the
humorix list.  If this is happening because you don't
understand what to do, then email me personally for
assistance and advise.  My address is:

 corriher@bellsouth.net

     *** DO NOT RESPOND TO ME BY HITTING REPLY!  ***

You should only contact me by starting a new message
and manually typing in my address.

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 Message text writ by Jamie Dainton via humorix@nl.linux.org:

 > I hope this helps worried Linux users....<


 Well, it sure helps worry Linux users!

 --
 Mike Mason
 Winsley, Wilts
 UK
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On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Davis Ray Sickmon, Jr wrote:

> Take it off the list, folks.  This is a humor list, not a tech
> discussion list.  I'm definitely not the moderator, but, Rik
> mentioned possibly setting up a second list for discussion of
> the items that show up on here, and non-humor related discussion
> - cause it don't belong here :-)

If you look at the Reply-To: header carefully, you'll
see that I have set up a second mailing list where
people are free to discuss the Humorix postings and/or
do their general Open Source and computer related
humor talk.

To subscribe to this second (more noise, less signal)
mailing list, send email to majordomo@nl.linux.org with
the following text in the body of the message:

	subscribe humorix-l

This list should (from now on) only be used for the
official Humorix postings and administrativa.

regards,

Rik
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2000, Thomas Corriher wrote:

> If this crap does not immediately stop, I am going to
> complain to the abusers' network providers.

No you're not. They are NOT violating the usage restrictions
we put on the mailing list.

[snip]

> The decent folks on this list will gladly testify to your
> abusive behavior if any evidence is required for your provider
> to take action against you.
>
> Be warned that if action is necessary, and if you live
> in a small town, you could lose all access to the
> Internet on a very long term basis.
> 
> Be nice, behave, and quit posting this crap to the
> humorix list.

"do as I say and don't do as I do"  ?

You're being rude, abusive and voice threats towards
other users. Do you have ANY reason why I shouldn't
complain to your ISP to have YOUR account yanked?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it when people try
to help rid a mailing list of some wrong things that
are happening, but doing it with email as abusive and
rude as your message is really unacceptable...

regards,

Rik
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Rik van Riel wrote:

> You're being rude, abusive and voice threats towards
> other users. Do you have ANY reason why I shouldn't
> complain to your ISP to have YOUR account yanked?

Go ahead and try.  Knock yourself out, if you think you
have that much pull with Bellsouth.

> Don't get me wrong, I appreciate it when people try
> to help rid a mailing list of some wrong things that
> are happening, but doing it with email as abusive and
> rude as your message is really unacceptable...

It was being kind, actually.  The persons involved were
asked repeatedly to stop and they continued.  They
disregarded those requests.  I was giving them warning
of what could (and probably would) happen.  I realize
they are probably decent folk who are just suffering
from newbism.  Nevertheless, they were warned for their
own protection.  I really don't care if that bothers you.
I really do not care in the slightest.  I have been on
the Internet long enough to know what is, and isn't,
expected as a Netizen.  If you are still angry, it is
because you do not understand, or you chose not to
understand.

Now... get away from the computer for about 10 minutes...
take some deep breaths... and think about it.  

It is also kinda funny that you sent 2 copies of this
message to 2 different lists.  (I couldn't resist)

I want everyone to know that I am replying publically
because the original letter was posted publically.
One's honor must be defended in public, when it is
under attack.  I shall not respond to these messages
in public again, for the sake of the public.  I think
an exception is required in this case.  I appologize
for any annoying noise that I may have generated.


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On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, Thomas Corriher wrote:

> It was being kind, actually.  The persons involved were
> asked repeatedly to stop and they continued.  They
> disregarded those requests.

Fair enough. You've been barred from posting to NL.linux.org
for exactly this reasoning.

If you want to discuss this with me, please use my 
conectiva.com.br address.

regards,

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----- Original Message -----
From: Pegasus <pegasus@transport.com>
To: <humorix@nl.linux.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 11:22 AM
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> Corel is giving almost giving away it's Linux.  The only want $4.95 to
download
> about 500M.  If you are on a fast line it's a thought.
>
> By the way, Gates owns 4 million shares of Red Hat... Think about it!
Just a
> bit incestuous.

Hmmm, didn't know that.  I've already been a little suspicous of Red Hat.

>
> Does anyone know how to really do a duel boot with Linux.  I've done it
with
> UNIX and XENIX but can't seem to figure out what MS has done with Win 98.
Now
> that is really scary.  Their FDISK suck.

DOS fdisk recongnizes three partition types:

1)  DOS
2)  Extended DOS (but without showing you the partitions within the extended
partition)
3)  Non-DOS

That should be all you need, unless you want to install one of those
heritical GNU/Linux systems.

>  It's set up in such a way to make it
> impossible or close to impossible to do a duel boot.  Gee I wonder why
this is.
> Anyway, I've got an HP Pavilion and its OS sucks even more than the
regular Win
> 98.

My boss recently bought two of those things.  We're a rather poor small
buissness, but I beged my boss not to buy a system off the shelf at Best
Buy.  He did it anyway.  He also bought two ethernet cards for them, and a
SCSI card for our Zip drive (we have a better [250 MB] Zip drive on our
GNU/Linux file server, but I'm the only one who knows GNU/Linux).  They were
both EISA cards.  The HP Pavilion only has PCI slots.  Figures.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paul m <paul@2bet.co.uk>
> To: humorix@nl.linux.org <humorix@nl.linux.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt
Dobrzynski
> <waltd>)
>
>
> |
> |I fear all this talk of vampire avoidance may have been a little
> |premature - upon opening the following email(which somehow had
> |magically addressed itself to me personally) I felt a shiver shoot
> |down my spine that could only indicate the presence of evil.
> |
> (Mind you I'm not sure about
> |this Red Hat stuff - I mean red  that's the colour of that evil Santa
> |guy isn't it.)
> |
> |Paul M
> |
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The Internet Collapses!  No Film At 11.
November 25, 2000

Unable to withstand an unexpected deluge of spam,
"meta-spam", off-topic posts, and spontaneous flame wars,
the vast majority of the Internet is currently offline. 
Web-based discussion forums running on Windows NT were the
first to crash under the strain, but within minutes even
Linux and FreeBSD systems were quicking melting under
extreme network conditions 500,000 times worse than the
Slashdot Effect.

It all started on a low-volume humor mailing list when some
evil spammer sent a messag entitled "Make $$$ Fast From
Sending Bulk X-Rated Email! Not MLM!".  Almost every
subscriber sent a response asking, "Why am I getting spam? 
How do I unsubscribe from this list?"  These messages were
immediately followed by more messages demanding, "Why I am
getting all of this meta-spam?  Will everybody please shut
up! And how do I unsubscribe from this thing?"

Under normal circumstances, the flood of messages would
quickly dry up.  But not this time.  One list subscriber
was on vacation and had an auto-responder configured to
respond to each and every email he received.  This set up a
positive feedback loop; within minutes over 10,000
meta-spams, auto-responses, and
meta-meta-meta-auto-responses had circulated through the
list.

Unfortunately, the mailing list administrator was glued to
his cable television watching every movement in the Florida
Election From Hell(tm) and didn't have time to check his
email.  Meanwhile, list members, sick and tired of
receiving 125 messages per second, sent thousands of
messages to other mailing lists asking for help in stopping
mailing list recursion.

It all went downhill from there.  Another evil spammer sent
a message to the list, this time containing a huge list of
To: addresses. The auto-responder responded to every
address on that list, causing several thousand more
netizens to be inundated by meta-meta-messages.  These
people sent knee-jerk responses -- to every address listed
in the meta-spam, of course -- thus creating a virulent
meme that rapidly took on a life of its own.

The torrent of meta-messages propogated at an exponential
rate, spreading across the globe in a matter of
milliseconds.  And then the meme hit Usenet, IRC, and the
Web -- and everything devolved into a state of chaos that
would make South Florida's election woes look like a
picnic.

Servers crashed.  Routers exploded.  Computers burst into
flames. It was not a good day.

Approximately 32.5 minutes from when the first spam message
had been sent, the majority of the Internet was toast.  

And that wasn't the end of it.  After the servers went
down, countless geeks received urgent pages and phone calls
from their bosses demanding to know just what the
[expletive] was happening. Meanwhile, ISP customers, upset
that their Internet access was _down again_, were
frantically trying to call tech support. (Remember, the TV
networks were busy showing arguments over "pregnant chads"
in Florida, so most people weren't aware that the entire
infosphere was on fire.)

These phone calls overloaded the US phone network, which
died a quick death.  It didn't take long for all other
wide-area networks to go kaput, an event that sent most
television and radio stations offline. Indeed, there will
_not_ be a film at 11.

Experts (at least those we were able to contact via smoke
signals) agree that the Internet and other modern
conveniences should be up and running within a matter of
days (or, depending on who you ask, years).  

Said one tech pundit we contacted, "In a way I'm sorta
relieved. I stockpiled thousands of dollars worth of stuff
for Y2K, and now I might be able to actually do something
with it."

"Still," he continued.  "To think that all of this chaos
was caused by one spammer and one errant auto-responder. 
Now that's scary.  And here I thought the collapse of the
Internet would be caused by Y2K -- or at least a bug in
Microsoft software. I never dreamed of this!"

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What you say about MS's questionable wisdom is very true, I think from memory 
that the topic came up during the USA Microsoft trial but I'm not sure if it was 
possibly to *prove* the MS does it deliberatly...

Quoting Jeff Buckey <jbuckey@earthlink.net>:

> Pegasus,
> 
> I hope you don't mind me calling you Pegasus.  ;-)
> 
> Anyway I've had a duel boot Win 98 and Linux system for a few years now.
> Only recently was a forced into using Windoze exclusively as I lost the
> hard
> drive that Linux was installed on.  So until the hard drive comes back
> from
> the manufacturer, I'll be using my Win 98 install.  Duel boot
> Linux/Win98 is
> simple to set up:
> Windoze FDISK should be fine to use to create the partitions.  Format
> the
> one you want to use for Windows as FAT32 and just leave the Linux
> partition
> unformatted (no news I'm sure you didn't already know here).  Then
> install
> Win 98 first _before_ your favorite Linux dist. is installed.  Once Win
> 98
> is installed install Linux to the "Linux" partition and set up LILO (the
> LInux LOader) to boot both OS's.  The dist's install of LILO should find
> the
> Windows info and ask you if you'd like to be able to boot the Windows OS
> as
> well.  If not it's easy to set up in the lilo.conf configuration file
> (try
> the HOW-TO on LILO found at: www.linuxdoc.org for more detailed
> instructions) .  Installing Win 98 _after_ Linux will overwrite the MBR
> (Master Boot Record) and you won't be able to boot the Linux system (in
> M$'s
> infinite "wisdom" they decided no "other" OS would ever reside on the
> same
> machine so they just overwrite the MBR without looking...LILO does not).
> Installing Linux after Win98 will take care of that problem, as every
> Linux
> dist. I've ever used/installed (which is most of them) will ask first
> before
> disregarding the other OS.
> 
> As for Corel's dist...I haven't used it yet, but I've heard some bad
> things
> about it.  All hearsay at this point, but I'm still up for trying it. 
> Might
> have to d/l the $5.00 version you've suggested here.  Thanks for the
> info.
> 
> As for RH...I'm not a fan of their business practices (though I didn't
> know
> Mr. Gates owned any stock in them).  I cut my teeth on RH Linux 4.2 but
> I've
> since stopped using them, because, like I said, I'm not fond of their
> business practices and their ideas of what makes a good dist.
> 
> Hope this helps, sorry for the off-topic post...I thought it might help
> some
> people out.
> -Jeff
> 
> 
> > Corel is giving almost giving away it's Linux.  The only want $4.95 to
> download
> > about 500M.  If you are on a fast line it's a thought.
> >
> > By the way, Gates owns 4 million shares of Red Hat... Think about it!
> Just a
> > bit incestuous.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to really do a duel boot with Linux.  I've done
> it
> with
> > UNIX and XENIX but can't seem to figure out what MS has done with Win
> 98.
> Now
> > that is really scary.  Their FDISK suck.  It's set up in such a way to
> make it
> > impossible or close to impossible to do a duel boot.  Gee I wonder why
> this is.
> > Anyway, I've got an HP Pavilion and its OS sucks even more than the
> regular Win
> > 98.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: paul m <paul@2bet.co.uk>
> > To: humorix@nl.linux.org <humorix@nl.linux.org>
> > Date: Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [humorix] Ineptitude (was Automated Reply from Walt
> Dobrzynski
> > <waltd>)
> >
> >
> > |
> > |I fear all this talk of vampire avoidance may have been a little
> > |premature - upon opening the following email(which somehow had
> > |magically addressed itself to me personally) I felt a shiver shoot
> > |down my spine that could only indicate the presence of evil.
> > |
> > (Mind you I'm not sure about
> > |this Red Hat stuff - I mean red  that's the colour of that evil Santa
> > |guy isn't it.)
> > |
> > |Paul M
> > |
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Hi *,

since most of the humour postings seem to be coming from
James Baughn lately, I guess I should invite some people
to write their own humour postings or at least provide
Mr. Baughn with some inspiration.

In order to do this, I'm inviting everybody over to the
humorix-l@nl.linux.org mailing list ... with extra "-l"

Everybody is invited to forward funny news items or their
own (humouristic) take on current events to that mailing
list ... but NOT to this one, at least not until a decent
story has been composed ;)

To subscribe to this list, send email to majordomo@nl.linux.org
with the following text in the body of the message:

	"subscribe humorix-l"

Now lets hope we'll be able to build up a nice group of people
there that will be able to promote the use of Linux and Open
Source software by using the weapon of humour ... (yeah right)

cheers,

Rik
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REPLY to HOLE List.... If you folks want a boring life than have one. :-) This
is the last time I will post to this list.  But having been harass by mindless
garb. I mean I see one post about a bounce back on a holiday and never ever read
that follows. It's so typical.  You just delete.  Have a problem folks with that
key.


I worked on my first computer in 1969. I'm not a new be and am pretty pissed at
the lack of feedback on this list. I agree that for someone like 007 to write
for us we need to give him support. So here is my best take on the computer mess
in our election.

http://www.transport.com/~pegasus

I know almost everyone in this industry in one way or the other. Gates is an old
Flame Mail partner and I respect him well.  How odd that he is off playing
bridge right now.... NOT! His company is going to hell over these elections
fraud issue that seem to have MS all over the Ducking Place. Billy is a
hard-core player but this move was not his but Buffett's... I mean how many
people really think we start Bridge Tournament.
http://biz.yahoo.com/apf/001126/buffett_ga.html

Now who put up this file.  Is Buffett a gay blade? Get the picture folks.  :-)
Got it.... So we do need to feed 007 and stroke his ...  to get more humor hear.
:-)

How that is really humorous...

HTTP://www.transport.com/~peagaus  You know it's not easy to get REEL alias like
this one.  You get it: transport  and a flying horse and I was Jpony~ for years.
Some just call me RED-the FEM Fatal. :-)

The name of this game is GO.... And it's a REAL GAME that eccentrics DEW play on
the INTERNET!

Buffett that baby billg~ Up your donkey.

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|
|Hi *,
|
|since most of the humour postings seem to be coming from
|James Baughn lately, I guess I should invite some people
|to write their own humour postings or at least provide
|Mr. Baughn with some inspiration.
|
|In order to do this, I'm inviting everybody over to the
|humorix-l@nl.linux.org mailing list ... with extra "-l"
|
|Everybody is invited to forward funny news items or their
|own (humouristic) take on current events to that mailing
|list ... but NOT to this one, at least not until a decent
|story has been composed ;)
|
|To subscribe to this list, send email to majordomo@nl.linux.org
|with the following text in the body of the message:
|
| "subscribe humorix-l"
|
|Now lets hope we'll be able to build up a nice group of people
|there that will be able to promote the use of Linux and Open
|Source software by using the weapon of humour ... (yeah right)
|
|cheers,
|
|Rik
|--
|Hollywood goes for world dumbination,
| Trailer at 11.
|
| http://www.surriel.com/
|http://www.conectiva.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com.br/
|
|
|-
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